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They’re okay with it because the rewrite is in their preferred language.

StopDisinfo910 1y ago
I have no opinion whatsoever on the rewrite. It might be the best thing since sliced bread for all I know. I have trouble with integrators recklessly shipping untested dependencies however.
- timeon 1y ago
  > It might be the best thing since sliced bread Can someone explain to me this analogy? Because I consider sliced bread as decline. But maybe that is cultural thing.
  - JodieBenitez 1y ago
    There you go: https://time.com/3946461/sliced-bread-history/ https://time.com/3946461/sliced-bread-history/ (yes, I don't really get it either)
  - dgb23 1y ago
    A knife that both slices and toasts the bread at the same time would be even better!
    - fainpul 1y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcjGRXTpHGI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcjGRXTpHGI
      - danudey 1y ago
        Knew what absolute disaster of a video this was going to be before clicking. Highly recommend watching Colin's videos, this one included, for the sheer level of "this is clearly a bad idea, let's do it" that he gives off and the things learned along the way.
  - gostsamo 1y ago
    The sliced bread might not be the best quality, but it is rather consistent and much less crummy when making yourself a toast or just butter+jam. No dangers of a kid cutting itself while making its own sandwich either.
  - bombcar 1y ago
    It was combined with the toaster and sandwiches made easily, and taken away for a bit in WWII, and then came back. It was one of those advancements that "stuck".
  - pessimizer 1y ago
    Middle class people who think of cooking for themselves as a hobby maybe lose the ability to understand labor-saving technical advances. People who cook as a duty think of cutting bread as more work, which it quite obviously is. If cooking is a hobby for you, you're seeking labor. Maybe that makes the obvious unintelligible. If you're poor and have a bunch of hungry kids waiting, you don't want the cutting board covering up half your counter space while you're carefully trying not to screw up eight slices of bread before something on the stove burns.
    - 1718627440 1y ago
      If you're poor your last worry is how to cut bread. Sliced bread seems to be more of a product for the rich, then the poor.
- steveklabnik 1y ago
  > I have trouble with integrators recklessly shipping untested dependencies however. Isn't this testing what they're doing now, which is what is exposing the bugs that need to be fixed?
selfmodruntime 1y ago
so? someone has to maintain software. The unix world is already in a crisis because they can't find maintainers.
- pseudony 1y ago
  Aside from there being no crises, rewriting a set of utilities with nearly no bug reports for years and for which no new features is needed accomplishes what exactly? Aside from new bugs, that is. There surely would be a more beneficial undertaking somewhere else. If then you’d argue that they may do as they please with their time, fair, but then let’s not pretend this rewrite has any objective value aside from scratching personal itches and learning how cat and co are implemented.
  - steveklabnik 1y ago
    This effort has produced new bug reports and test cases for upstream, clarifying their desired behavior. That's one positive side effect that helps everyone.
    - ok123456 1y ago
      That's a really post-hoc rationalization for breaking Ubuntu.
      - deleted 1y ago
        [deleted]
      - steveklabnik 1y ago
        I'm replying to the general case of why. Obviously breakage is unfortunate. But it's not like there's no benefit.
        ok123456 1y ago
        Unfortunately, this will leave a stink that will take a lot of bathing and deodorant to mask.

I have no opinion whatsoever on the rewrite. It might be the best thing since sliced bread for all I know. I have trouble with integrators recklessly shipping untested dependencies however.

timeon 1y ago
> It might be the best thing since sliced bread Can someone explain to me this analogy? Because I consider sliced bread as decline. But maybe that is cultural thing.
- JodieBenitez 1y ago
  There you go: https://time.com/3946461/sliced-bread-history/ https://time.com/3946461/sliced-bread-history/ (yes, I don't really get it either)
- dgb23 1y ago
  A knife that both slices and toasts the bread at the same time would be even better!
  - fainpul 1y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcjGRXTpHGI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcjGRXTpHGI
    - danudey 1y ago
      Knew what absolute disaster of a video this was going to be before clicking. Highly recommend watching Colin's videos, this one included, for the sheer level of "this is clearly a bad idea, let's do it" that he gives off and the things learned along the way.
- gostsamo 1y ago
  The sliced bread might not be the best quality, but it is rather consistent and much less crummy when making yourself a toast or just butter+jam. No dangers of a kid cutting itself while making its own sandwich either.
- bombcar 1y ago
  It was combined with the toaster and sandwiches made easily, and taken away for a bit in WWII, and then came back. It was one of those advancements that "stuck".
- pessimizer 1y ago
  Middle class people who think of cooking for themselves as a hobby maybe lose the ability to understand labor-saving technical advances. People who cook as a duty think of cutting bread as more work, which it quite obviously is. If cooking is a hobby for you, you're seeking labor. Maybe that makes the obvious unintelligible. If you're poor and have a bunch of hungry kids waiting, you don't want the cutting board covering up half your counter space while you're carefully trying not to screw up eight slices of bread before something on the stove burns.
  - 1718627440 1y ago
    If you're poor your last worry is how to cut bread. Sliced bread seems to be more of a product for the rich, then the poor.
steveklabnik 1y ago
> I have trouble with integrators recklessly shipping untested dependencies however. Isn't this testing what they're doing now, which is what is exposing the bugs that need to be fixed?

selfmodruntime 1y ago

so? someone has to maintain software. The unix world is already in a crisis because they can't find maintainers.

pseudony 1y ago
Aside from there being no crises, rewriting a set of utilities with nearly no bug reports for years and for which no new features is needed accomplishes what exactly? Aside from new bugs, that is. There surely would be a more beneficial undertaking somewhere else. If then you’d argue that they may do as they please with their time, fair, but then let’s not pretend this rewrite has any objective value aside from scratching personal itches and learning how cat and co are implemented.
- steveklabnik 1y ago
  This effort has produced new bug reports and test cases for upstream, clarifying their desired behavior. That's one positive side effect that helps everyone.
  - ok123456 1y ago
    That's a really post-hoc rationalization for breaking Ubuntu.
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
    - steveklabnik 1y ago
      I'm replying to the general case of why. Obviously breakage is unfortunate. But it's not like there's no benefit.
      - ok123456 1y ago
        Unfortunately, this will leave a stink that will take a lot of bathing and deodorant to mask.