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This seems like poor reporting. It’s far more believable that the ad is an excuse and the real story is this: > Canada cuts tariff relief on some US cars due t

This seems like poor reporting. It’s far more believable that the ad is an excuse and the real story is this: > Canada cuts tariff relief on some US cars due to Stellantis, GM ending some Canadian production https://apnews.com/article/canada-us-auto-production-tariffs-a64f16e120fca93af501fa9c8ce39866 https://apnews.com/article/canada-us-auto-production-tariffs... The ad aired a week ago and Trump said he’d do the same thing and didn’t care. However this development prompted a retaliation. There’s a low simmering trade war that Trump has been waging against partners and these are just excuses he claims so the media doesn’t focus on the actual details of the war but instead on BS culture war topics.

kennywinker 1y ago
Strong agree. If it was the ads, this would have come when the news about the ads broke, not now.
- tzs 1y ago
  The ad ran last week, but the Reagan library tweeted the full video of Reagan's speech yesterday. Trump saw that, and then shortly after posted on Truth Social that the ad used fake video, which intended to influence the Supreme Court and the other courts against Trump on tariffs, and cancelled negotiations. That really does seem to be what set him off.
csomar 1y ago
Doesn’t this action from Canada explain Trump rhetoric though? Essentially, Canada is saying that you can only sell tariff-free if you manufacture their. That’s the same thing Trump is pushing for.
- beloch 1y ago
  The North American auto sector is propped up by subsidies on both sides of the border. What the article in the parent post doesn't mention is that Stellantis and GM received massive handouts from the Canadian government to retool factories in Canada, contingent on actually operating those factories and employing Canadian workers. Abandoning them and moving production to the U.S. (because of tariffs) violated their agreements. Hence, no more tariff relief for them. North American auto companies are between a rock and a hard place right now, but it'd be folly for the Canadian government to let them ignore their agreements without consequence. TL;DR: It would be more accurate to say Trump tried to steal a cookie from the Canadian cookie jar and is now acting shocked that his hand has been slapped. Canada is merely reacting here, and rather mildly at that. Calling off trade negotiations entirely is clearly not warranted and everyone should expect another TACO Tuesday.
  - vlovich123 1y ago
    I picked a random article. As I said, the news is doing a terrible job covering this and using the clickbait fodder Trump gives them instead of providing a more detailed analysis of what the real moves being made are and why they’re being made.
- llm_nerd 1y ago
  >Doesn’t this action from Canada explain Trump rhetoric though? Trump already tariffed cars and car parts from Canada under the guise of national security, in complete and utter defiance of USMCA (you know, the best trade agreement ever as described by the guy who signed it: Donald Trump). Canada should return the favour. Canada had tried to play nice with the "American" automakers, but if they screw Canada to pander to the rapist, they lose that benefit.
dismalaf 1y ago
As a Canadian, I do have to say that we've been putting up tariffs on trading partners' goods and protecting our shitty monopolies as long as I can remember, then whining when others do it back to us. The situation in Canada is kind of messed up. We literally have trade barriers between provinces, tariffs on a ton of stuff, government protected monopolies and all that has lead to capital either being allocated poorly or allocated right out of the country. Even government pensions put most of their capital in US markets instead of in our own country. While US tariffs on Canada will obviously lead to economic malaise, I can't say it's undeserved. Hopefully it leads to a wake up call here (it probably won't though, Canadians will just become more and more insular). It's funny, we've been trying to forge closer ties with the EU and China but again, we are rebuked because we have tariffs on a bunch of their goods.
- smnrchrds 1y ago
  Also Canadian here. Have been closely following US-Canada trade for years. What you are saying is news to me. I am leaning towards believing you are simply mistaken, but if you have specific evidence about these two assertions, I would love to study them: > tariffs on a ton of stuff > we are rebuked because we have tariffs on a bunch of their goods I can guess why one might think some of this (tariffs on Chinese EVs directly led to agricultural counter-tariffs from them and dairy trade barriers have always been a source of frustration), but in general, Canada's tariffs and barriers are by all indications in line with peer countries (US, UK, EU, Australia, etc.) and not particularly noteworthy. If you have concrete evidence to the contrary (not just that some trade barriers exist between Canada and its trading partners, but that they are out of the ordinary and much higher than other countries'; and that the world, in particular EU does not want closer ties with us because of them), I would love to study your sources and update my understanding.
  - aborsy 1y ago
    I don’t think Canada has tariffs notably higher than other countries. Sure, specific sectors and certain quotes but all countries have those.
- llm_nerd 1y ago

kennywinker 1y ago

Strong agree. If it was the ads, this would have come when the news about the ads broke, not now.

tzs 1y ago
The ad ran last week, but the Reagan library tweeted the full video of Reagan's speech yesterday. Trump saw that, and then shortly after posted on Truth Social that the ad used fake video, which intended to influence the Supreme Court and the other courts against Trump on tariffs, and cancelled negotiations. That really does seem to be what set him off.

csomar 1y ago

Doesn’t this action from Canada explain Trump rhetoric though? Essentially, Canada is saying that you can only sell tariff-free if you manufacture their. That’s the same thing Trump is pushing for.

beloch 1y ago
The North American auto sector is propped up by subsidies on both sides of the border. What the article in the parent post doesn't mention is that Stellantis and GM received massive handouts from the Canadian government to retool factories in Canada, contingent on actually operating those factories and employing Canadian workers. Abandoning them and moving production to the U.S. (because of tariffs) violated their agreements. Hence, no more tariff relief for them. North American auto companies are between a rock and a hard place right now, but it'd be folly for the Canadian government to let them ignore their agreements without consequence. TL;DR: It would be more accurate to say Trump tried to steal a cookie from the Canadian cookie jar and is now acting shocked that his hand has been slapped. Canada is merely reacting here, and rather mildly at that. Calling off trade negotiations entirely is clearly not warranted and everyone should expect another TACO Tuesday.
- vlovich123 1y ago
  I picked a random article. As I said, the news is doing a terrible job covering this and using the clickbait fodder Trump gives them instead of providing a more detailed analysis of what the real moves being made are and why they’re being made.
llm_nerd 1y ago
>Doesn’t this action from Canada explain Trump rhetoric though? Trump already tariffed cars and car parts from Canada under the guise of national security, in complete and utter defiance of USMCA (you know, the best trade agreement ever as described by the guy who signed it: Donald Trump). Canada should return the favour. Canada had tried to play nice with the "American" automakers, but if they screw Canada to pander to the rapist, they lose that benefit.

dismalaf 1y ago

As a Canadian, I do have to say that we've been putting up tariffs on trading partners' goods and protecting our shitty monopolies as long as I can remember, then whining when others do it back to us. The situation in Canada is kind of messed up. We literally have trade barriers between provinces, tariffs on a ton of stuff, government protected monopolies and all that has lead to capital either being allocated poorly or allocated right out of the country. Even government pensions put most of their capital in US markets instead of in our own country. While US tariffs on Canada will obviously lead to economic malaise, I can't say it's undeserved. Hopefully it leads to a wake up call here (it probably won't though, Canadians will just become more and more insular). It's funny, we've been trying to forge closer ties with the EU and China but again, we are rebuked because we have tariffs on a bunch of their goods.

smnrchrds 1y ago
Also Canadian here. Have been closely following US-Canada trade for years. What you are saying is news to me. I am leaning towards believing you are simply mistaken, but if you have specific evidence about these two assertions, I would love to study them: > tariffs on a ton of stuff > we are rebuked because we have tariffs on a bunch of their goods I can guess why one might think some of this (tariffs on Chinese EVs directly led to agricultural counter-tariffs from them and dairy trade barriers have always been a source of frustration), but in general, Canada's tariffs and barriers are by all indications in line with peer countries (US, UK, EU, Australia, etc.) and not particularly noteworthy. If you have concrete evidence to the contrary (not just that some trade barriers exist between Canada and its trading partners, but that they are out of the ordinary and much higher than other countries'; and that the world, in particular EU does not want closer ties with us because of them), I would love to study your sources and update my understanding.
- aborsy 1y ago
  I don’t think Canada has tariffs notably higher than other countries. Sure, specific sectors and certain quotes but all countries have those.
llm_nerd 1y ago