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I disagree about the fixing, because ultimately self driving services will have political power to cap their liability. Once they dial in the costs and become s

I disagree about the fixing, because ultimately self driving services will have political power to cap their liability. Once they dial in the costs and become scaled self sustaining operations, the incentive will be reduced opex. I think the net improvements will come from the quantitative aspect of lots and lots of video. We don’t have good facts about these friction points on the road and rely on anecdotal information, police data (which sucks) and time/morion style studies.

bobthepanda 1y ago
even if we had good data, the major problem in the US is that the funding liabilities of transportation agencies generally massively outweighs revenues, particularly if legislators keep earmarking already limited funds for yet more road expansion in their districts.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> ultimately self driving services will have political power to cap their liability You're fighting an objectively safer future on the basis of a hypothetical? Also, we already have capped liability with driving: uninsured and underinsured drivers.
- Spooky23 1y ago
  The real cap is the operator ultimately is accountable. When a software defect kills a bunch of people, the robot operator’s owners will subject to a way lower level of liability. Airlines have international treaties that do this. An objectively safer future is common carriers operating mass transit. Robot taxi will creating a monster that will price out private ownership in the long term. Objectively safer remains to be seen, and will require a nationwide government regulatory body that won’t exist for many years.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > real cap is the operator ultimately is accountable Which is in practice lower than what a large operator would pay, particularly if they also write the software. > will require a nationwide government regulatory body It doesn’t require any such thing. That would be nice. But states are more than capable of regulating their roads.
    - Spooky23 1y ago
      Spoken by someone without knowledge of motor carrier regulation. That’s not a dig, few people are. States are incredibly bad at regulating commercial entities. The Federal DOT contracts with a few universities (or at least they did) use evidence based sampling and enforcement, fulfilled by state authorities for trucks and buses in their scope. Only states like California, New York, Texas would have the resources to do it, and it would be really difficult to do anything effective when there’s 53 or more flavors.

bobthepanda 1y ago

even if we had good data, the major problem in the US is that the funding liabilities of transportation agencies generally massively outweighs revenues, particularly if legislators keep earmarking already limited funds for yet more road expansion in their districts.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> ultimately self driving services will have political power to cap their liability You're fighting an objectively safer future on the basis of a hypothetical? Also, we already have capped liability with driving: uninsured and underinsured drivers.

Spooky23 1y ago
The real cap is the operator ultimately is accountable. When a software defect kills a bunch of people, the robot operator’s owners will subject to a way lower level of liability. Airlines have international treaties that do this. An objectively safer future is common carriers operating mass transit. Robot taxi will creating a monster that will price out private ownership in the long term. Objectively safer remains to be seen, and will require a nationwide government regulatory body that won’t exist for many years.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > real cap is the operator ultimately is accountable Which is in practice lower than what a large operator would pay, particularly if they also write the software. > will require a nationwide government regulatory body It doesn’t require any such thing. That would be nice. But states are more than capable of regulating their roads.
  - Spooky23 1y ago
    Spoken by someone without knowledge of motor carrier regulation. That’s not a dig, few people are. States are incredibly bad at regulating commercial entities. The Federal DOT contracts with a few universities (or at least they did) use evidence based sampling and enforcement, fulfilled by state authorities for trucks and buses in their scope. Only states like California, New York, Texas would have the resources to do it, and it would be really difficult to do anything effective when there’s 53 or more flavors.