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Is the irony not lost you that Joe Biden pardoned his own son for crimes he was absolutely guilty of. I don't see how that is any less corrupt. This isn't whatb

Is the irony not lost you that Joe Biden pardoned his own son for crimes he was absolutely guilty of. I don't see how that is any less corrupt. This isn't whatboutism either because I'm not trying to say that what Trump is doing is okay, I'm pointing out that this behavior is not particular to Trump and his supporters. The large majority of Americans are fine with corruption as long as it's their team.

darkarmani 1y ago
One can not be happy with that and understand that Trump would have found ways to lock up his son for 20 years. No one thinks this dude was going to be punished for political reasons.
cthalupa 1y ago
Biden pardoning his son was widely condemned by Democrats. This is despite the fact that Hunter was gone after on a charge that is basically never enforced alongside a media and political campaign ramping up all sorts of lies and half-truths and trying to draw connections to things he was never on trial for, much less convicted of, with an incoming president that had spoken extensively about his desire to weaponize the government to enact revenge on his political rivals, which we have seen him do extensively already. I don't like that Biden pardoned his son, but I also think the idea that it is at all comparable to the pardons Trump has issued that are blatantly corrupt is absurd. Meanwhile, Jan6 pardonees have a whole Wikipedia section detailing all of the crimes they have gone on to commit since being pardoned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack_defendants#January_6_defendants_involved_in_further_crimes_and_incidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_January_6_United_Sta...
- selfmodruntime 1y ago
  No. You are making it seem like Biden pardoned his family for petty crimes. He pardoned them in advance for any crime they have committed that is yet unknown. That‘s an unprecedented move and you claiming the other side will „come after your family“ basically confirms that the legal system is corrupt and that there is reasonable ground to do so.
  - cthalupa 1y ago
    Biden pardoned his son for a petty crime. He pardoned the rest for probably no crime at all. See again: > with an incoming president that had spoken extensively about his desire to weaponize the government to enact revenge on his political rivals, which we have seen him do extensively already.
    - selfmodruntime 1y ago
      > Biden pardoned his son for a petty crime. Again no, Biden issued a sweeping pardon for his Son that pardons him of all crimes, known and unknown. Hell, it was a pardon so broad that even left leaning pundits like Politico publicly wrote about it [1]. It took me all of one second to confirm this. Why lie? [1]: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/02/hunter-biden-pardon-nixon-00192101 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/02/hunter-biden-pardon...
      - cthalupa 1y ago
        Biden's son had committed and was convicted of a petty crime that is basically never enforced. The pardon was sweeping. You seem to be arguing semantics. I care about what his son actually did. If someone is sitting in jail for a marijuana conviction, and gets a blanket pardon, I am going to say they were pardoned for the marijuana conviction, not for some theorized other crime.
        selfmodruntime 1y ago
        You don't get a blanket pardon for a marijuana conviction. You get a pardon for that exact crime. No one gets a blanket pardon. That is my point.
        cthalupa 1y ago
        Because, again, Trump was explicit he was going to go on a political witch hunt to target his enemies. A blanket pardon is your best defense against manufactured charges in that case - see all of the current cases being brought against his enemies. I don't really understand why this is a difficult concept for you to grasp.
swader999 1y ago
Biden didn't pardon, the auto pen did.
- selfmodruntime 1y ago
  Biden obviously wasn‘t in the mental state to do anything himself in the last year of his presidency.
  - strathmeyer 1y ago
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- greenpizza13 1y ago
  JFC did an auto pen write this comment. Might as well.
afavour 1y ago
You talk as if corruption is a binary: corrupt or not corrupt. I’m not supportive of Biden pardoning his son. But it’s inarguable that the Trump administration is orders of magnitude more corrupt than Biden’s was. To say “they’re both corrupt” is to flatten everything out to meaninglessness.
HDThoreaun 1y ago
1. There is no evidence that Joe partook in hunter's scheme. No evidence of misuse of office or government resources. It was more conspiracy to engage in corruption than actual corruption. 2. Hunter's pardon was still wrong and widely condemned by dems. Biden misused the office to pardon his son but he was not corrupt.
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hypeatei 1y ago
Hunter Biden and the Biden family were investigated for years in various political witch hunts and Hunter was charged with filling out a gun form incorrectly in the end. Trump made it clear he was going on a revenge tour with the DOJ in his second term so I don't blame Joe for the pardons.

darkarmani 1y ago

One can not be happy with that and understand that Trump would have found ways to lock up his son for 20 years. No one thinks this dude was going to be punished for political reasons.

cthalupa 1y ago

Biden pardoning his son was widely condemned by Democrats. This is despite the fact that Hunter was gone after on a charge that is basically never enforced alongside a media and political campaign ramping up all sorts of lies and half-truths and trying to draw connections to things he was never on trial for, much less convicted of, with an incoming president that had spoken extensively about his desire to weaponize the government to enact revenge on his political rivals, which we have seen him do extensively already. I don't like that Biden pardoned his son, but I also think the idea that it is at all comparable to the pardons Trump has issued that are blatantly corrupt is absurd. Meanwhile, Jan6 pardonees have a whole Wikipedia section detailing all of the crimes they have gone on to commit since being pardoned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack_defendants#January_6_defendants_involved_in_further_crimes_and_incidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_January_6_United_Sta...

selfmodruntime 1y ago
No. You are making it seem like Biden pardoned his family for petty crimes. He pardoned them in advance for any crime they have committed that is yet unknown. That‘s an unprecedented move and you claiming the other side will „come after your family“ basically confirms that the legal system is corrupt and that there is reasonable ground to do so.
- cthalupa 1y ago
  Biden pardoned his son for a petty crime. He pardoned the rest for probably no crime at all. See again: > with an incoming president that had spoken extensively about his desire to weaponize the government to enact revenge on his political rivals, which we have seen him do extensively already.
  - selfmodruntime 1y ago
    > Biden pardoned his son for a petty crime. Again no, Biden issued a sweeping pardon for his Son that pardons him of all crimes, known and unknown. Hell, it was a pardon so broad that even left leaning pundits like Politico publicly wrote about it [1]. It took me all of one second to confirm this. Why lie? [1]: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/02/hunter-biden-pardon-nixon-00192101 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/02/hunter-biden-pardon...
    - cthalupa 1y ago
      Biden's son had committed and was convicted of a petty crime that is basically never enforced. The pardon was sweeping. You seem to be arguing semantics. I care about what his son actually did. If someone is sitting in jail for a marijuana conviction, and gets a blanket pardon, I am going to say they were pardoned for the marijuana conviction, not for some theorized other crime.
      - selfmodruntime 1y ago
        You don't get a blanket pardon for a marijuana conviction. You get a pardon for that exact crime. No one gets a blanket pardon. That is my point.
        cthalupa 1y ago
        Because, again, Trump was explicit he was going to go on a political witch hunt to target his enemies. A blanket pardon is your best defense against manufactured charges in that case - see all of the current cases being brought against his enemies. I don't really understand why this is a difficult concept for you to grasp.

swader999 1y ago

Biden didn't pardon, the auto pen did.

selfmodruntime 1y ago
Biden obviously wasn‘t in the mental state to do anything himself in the last year of his presidency.
- strathmeyer 1y ago
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greenpizza13 1y ago
JFC did an auto pen write this comment. Might as well.

afavour 1y ago

You talk as if corruption is a binary: corrupt or not corrupt. I’m not supportive of Biden pardoning his son. But it’s inarguable that the Trump administration is orders of magnitude more corrupt than Biden’s was. To say “they’re both corrupt” is to flatten everything out to meaninglessness.

HDThoreaun 1y ago

1. There is no evidence that Joe partook in hunter's scheme. No evidence of misuse of office or government resources. It was more conspiracy to engage in corruption than actual corruption. 2. Hunter's pardon was still wrong and widely condemned by dems. Biden misused the office to pardon his son but he was not corrupt.

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hypeatei 1y ago

Hunter Biden and the Biden family were investigated for years in various political witch hunts and Hunter was charged with filling out a gun form incorrectly in the end. Trump made it clear he was going on a revenge tour with the DOJ in his second term so I don't blame Joe for the pardons.