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EVs no, but I think some Toyota hybrids (which are of course not even PHEVs) still use NiMH. Toyota tends to be very tight-lipped about their batteries and thei

EVs no, but I think some Toyota hybrids (which are of course not even PHEVs) still use NiMH. Toyota tends to be very tight-lipped about their batteries and their sizes (or rather, lack thereof).

numpad0 1y ago
Tends to be tight lipped??? It is in the catalog[1]! It is more that American consumers aren't tech obsessed than Toyota being reluctant to share. Even just looking at online media reports[2][3] clearly sourced from some exact same press event, it is obvious that US English equivalents are much lighter in content than Japanese versions. They're putting the information out, no one's reading it. It's just been the types of information that didn't drive clicks. Language barrier would have effects on it too, that Toyota is a Japanese company and US is an export market, but it's fundamentally the same phenomenon as citizen facing government reports that never gets read and often imagined as being "hidden and withheld from public eyes", just a communication issue. 1: https://www.toyota.com/priuspluginhybrid/features/mpg_other_price/1235/1237/1239 https://www.toyota.com/priuspluginhybrid/features/mpg_other_... 2: https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyota-aqua-prius-c-hybrid-battery-technology https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyota-aqua-prius-c-hybrid-b... 3: https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1339263.html https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1339263.html
- avhception 1y ago
  It's nice to get a reminder about this problem once in a while, I've fallen into the trap myself at times.
- taneq 1y ago
  Interestingly they don't tell you anything (unless I missed it) about the battery for the non-plugin hybrids, eg. the Corolla Cross: https://www.toyota.com/corollacross/features/mpg_other_price/6301/6303/6316 https://www.toyota.com/corollacross/features/mpg_other_price... I was looking up this year's Corolla a while ago and likewise there was minimal info that I could see about the battery capacity, which I think I figured out was about 3kWh.
- formerly_proven 1y ago
  Despite your ??? and ! the only article you posted that's about hybrids (and not PHEVs) mentions nothing about battery capacity.
  - close04 1y ago
    > Battery capacity (kWh) 13.6 It's under Weights/Capacities but you have to expand the section yourself, no way to link directly to it.
    - formerly_proven 1y ago
      The page you are referring to is literally titled "Plug-In Hybrid Specifications" /out
      - close04 1y ago
        Sorry, I just saw you objected to the lack of information for battery capacity, not the type of hybrid or chemistry.
whaleofatw2022 1y ago
Early Hybrids used NiMH because Chevron was holding on to a lot of the patents around using Lithium Ion for the purpose IIRC.

EVs no, but I think some Toyota hybrids (which are of course not even PHEVs) still use NiMH. Toyota tends to be very tight-lipped about their batteries and their sizes (or rather, lack thereof).

numpad0 1y ago

Tends to be tight lipped??? It is in the catalog[1]! It is more that American consumers aren't tech obsessed than Toyota being reluctant to share. Even just looking at online media reports[2][3] clearly sourced from some exact same press event, it is obvious that US English equivalents are much lighter in content than Japanese versions. They're putting the information out, no one's reading it. It's just been the types of information that didn't drive clicks. Language barrier would have effects on it too, that Toyota is a Japanese company and US is an export market, but it's fundamentally the same phenomenon as citizen facing government reports that never gets read and often imagined as being "hidden and withheld from public eyes", just a communication issue. 1: https://www.toyota.com/priuspluginhybrid/features/mpg_other_price/1235/1237/1239 https://www.toyota.com/priuspluginhybrid/features/mpg_other_... 2: https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyota-aqua-prius-c-hybrid-battery-technology https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyota-aqua-prius-c-hybrid-b... 3: https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1339263.html https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1339263.html

avhception 1y ago
It's nice to get a reminder about this problem once in a while, I've fallen into the trap myself at times.
taneq 1y ago
Interestingly they don't tell you anything (unless I missed it) about the battery for the non-plugin hybrids, eg. the Corolla Cross: https://www.toyota.com/corollacross/features/mpg_other_price/6301/6303/6316 https://www.toyota.com/corollacross/features/mpg_other_price... I was looking up this year's Corolla a while ago and likewise there was minimal info that I could see about the battery capacity, which I think I figured out was about 3kWh.
formerly_proven 1y ago
Despite your ??? and ! the only article you posted that's about hybrids (and not PHEVs) mentions nothing about battery capacity.
- close04 1y ago
  > Battery capacity (kWh) 13.6 It's under Weights/Capacities but you have to expand the section yourself, no way to link directly to it.
  - formerly_proven 1y ago
    The page you are referring to is literally titled "Plug-In Hybrid Specifications" /out
    - close04 1y ago
      Sorry, I just saw you objected to the lack of information for battery capacity, not the type of hybrid or chemistry.

whaleofatw2022 1y ago

Early Hybrids used NiMH because Chevron was holding on to a lot of the patents around using Lithium Ion for the purpose IIRC.