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The dispatch relayer and responding officers should at least have ready access to a screen where they can see a video/image of the raw footage that triggered th

The dispatch relayer and responding officers should at least have ready access to a screen where they can see a video/image of the raw footage that triggered the AI alert. If it is a false alarm, they will better see it and react accordingly, and if it is a real threat they will better understand the initial context and who may have been involved.

ggreer 1y ago
According to a news article[1], a human did review the video/image and flagged it as a false positive. It was the principal who told the school cop, who then called other cops: > The Department of School Safety and Security quickly reviewed and canceled the initial alert after confirming there was no weapon. I contacted our school resource officer (SRO) and reported the matter to him, and he contacted the local precinct for additional support. Police officers responded to the school, searched the individual and quickly confirmed that they were not in possession of any weapons. What's unclear to me is the information flow. If the Department of School Safety and Security recognized it as a false positive, why did the principal alert the school resource officer? And what sort of telephone game happened to cause local police to believe the student was likely armed? 1. https://www.wbaltv.com/article/student-handcuffed-ai-system-mistook-bag-chips-weapon/69114601 https://www.wbaltv.com/article/student-handcuffed-ai-system-...
- wat10000 1y ago
  Sounds like a "better safe than sorry" approach. If you ignore the alert on the basis that it's a false positive, then it turns out it really was a gun and the person shoots somebody, you're going to get sued into the ground, fired, name plastered all over the media, etc. On the other hand, if you call in the cops and there wasn't a gun, you're fine.
  - spankibalt 1y ago
    > "On the other hand, if you call in the cops and there wasn't a gun, you're fine." Yeah, cause cops have never shot somebody unarmed. And you can bet your ass that the possible follow-up lawsuit to such a debacle's got "your" name on it.
    - wat10000 1y ago
      Good luck suing somebody for calling the police.
      - mothballed 1y ago
        Reports on child welfare, it is often illegal to release the name of the tipster. Commonly taken advantage of by disgruntled exes or in custody dusputes.
      - giardini 1y ago
        In Texas filing a false report is a crime and can result in fines and/or imprisonment. Details: https://legalclarity.org/false-report-under-the-texas-penal-code-laws-and-penalties/ https://legalclarity.org/false-report-under-the-texas-penal-... Furthermore, anyone who files a false report can be sued in civil court.
        wat10000 1y ago
        “The system flagged a gun, please check it out” is not a false report.
        rkagerer 1y ago
        It might be, depending on the integrity of "the system". I can make a system that flags stuff, too. That doesn't mean it's any good. If they can show there was no reasonable cause then they've got a leg to stand on.
        wat10000 1y ago
        It’s the literal truth. How can that be a false report? A false report means you reported something you know to be untrue, not that you relayed bad information.
        rolph 1y ago
  - Zigurd 1y ago
    Ask a black teenager about being fine.
    - xp84 1y ago
      Well, you could ask this kid, he is black and wasn't harmed. It's not the cops' fault someone told them he had a gun.
      - JohnFen 1y ago
        You and I define "harm" differently.
- deleted 1y ago
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- xp84 1y ago
  Good lord, what an idiot principal. If the principal saw how un-gun-like it looked, he could have been brave enough to walk his lazy ass down to where the student was and said "Hey (Name), check this out. (show AI detection picture) The AI camera thought this was a gun in your pocket. I think it's wrong, but they like to have a staff member sign off on these since keeping everyone safe from violence is a huge deal. Can I take a picture of what it actually is in your pocket?"

ggreer 1y ago

According to a news article[1], a human did review the video/image and flagged it as a false positive. It was the principal who told the school cop, who then called other cops: > The Department of School Safety and Security quickly reviewed and canceled the initial alert after confirming there was no weapon. I contacted our school resource officer (SRO) and reported the matter to him, and he contacted the local precinct for additional support. Police officers responded to the school, searched the individual and quickly confirmed that they were not in possession of any weapons. What's unclear to me is the information flow. If the Department of School Safety and Security recognized it as a false positive, why did the principal alert the school resource officer? And what sort of telephone game happened to cause local police to believe the student was likely armed? 1. https://www.wbaltv.com/article/student-handcuffed-ai-system-mistook-bag-chips-weapon/69114601 https://www.wbaltv.com/article/student-handcuffed-ai-system-...

wat10000 1y ago
Sounds like a "better safe than sorry" approach. If you ignore the alert on the basis that it's a false positive, then it turns out it really was a gun and the person shoots somebody, you're going to get sued into the ground, fired, name plastered all over the media, etc. On the other hand, if you call in the cops and there wasn't a gun, you're fine.
- spankibalt 1y ago
  > "On the other hand, if you call in the cops and there wasn't a gun, you're fine." Yeah, cause cops have never shot somebody unarmed. And you can bet your ass that the possible follow-up lawsuit to such a debacle's got "your" name on it.
  - wat10000 1y ago
    Good luck suing somebody for calling the police.
    - mothballed 1y ago
      Reports on child welfare, it is often illegal to release the name of the tipster. Commonly taken advantage of by disgruntled exes or in custody dusputes.
    - giardini 1y ago
      In Texas filing a false report is a crime and can result in fines and/or imprisonment. Details: https://legalclarity.org/false-report-under-the-texas-penal-code-laws-and-penalties/ https://legalclarity.org/false-report-under-the-texas-penal-... Furthermore, anyone who files a false report can be sued in civil court.
      - wat10000 1y ago
        “The system flagged a gun, please check it out” is not a false report.
        rkagerer 1y ago
        It might be, depending on the integrity of "the system". I can make a system that flags stuff, too. That doesn't mean it's any good. If they can show there was no reasonable cause then they've got a leg to stand on.
        wat10000 1y ago
        It’s the literal truth. How can that be a false report? A false report means you reported something you know to be untrue, not that you relayed bad information.
        rolph 1y ago
- Zigurd 1y ago
  Ask a black teenager about being fine.
  - xp84 1y ago
    Well, you could ask this kid, he is black and wasn't harmed. It's not the cops' fault someone told them he had a gun.
    - JohnFen 1y ago
      You and I define "harm" differently.
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xp84 1y ago
Good lord, what an idiot principal. If the principal saw how un-gun-like it looked, he could have been brave enough to walk his lazy ass down to where the student was and said "Hey (Name), check this out. (show AI detection picture) The AI camera thought this was a gun in your pocket. I think it's wrong, but they like to have a staff member sign off on these since keeping everyone safe from violence is a huge deal. Can I take a picture of what it actually is in your pocket?"