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I don't get this strategy, honestly. There's plenty of sensitive environments that need to be air-gapped from the internet where Microsoft's products dominate.

I don't get this strategy, honestly. There's plenty of sensitive environments that need to be air-gapped from the internet where Microsoft's products dominate. They seem to be giving up on that market entirely.

dhosek 1y ago
But there’s still the option of using the desktop apps. Personally I hate using browser-based apps, but then I’m also old.
- supportengineer 1y ago
  Back when people still used dial-up, I once observed a sys admin in our IT department using a custom, proprietary Windows application developed by a vendor, used for ordering purposes. The whole thing was proprietary, client, protocol, and server, and it was awesome to behold.
  - dhosek 1y ago
    That was pretty common back in those days. With the appification of a lot of websites, it’s coming back (albeit using rest instead of a proprietary protocol).
- busterarm 1y ago
  Except Windows itself is moving to make sure you're always online and requires an internet connection & Microsoft account to log in. I mean sure, this isn't the case if you're on an AD. I just wonder for how long.
  - SubiculumCode 1y ago
    Windows moved to Always Online, but I moved to Never on Windows. Funny how that all works.
    - brewtide 1y ago
      I have a windows vm that I use perhaps every few weeks for sketchup (because for the life of me, I cannot get wine to run it correctly -- it'll run but not SAVE...). Every time I run the VM, it has windows updates to install. I guess it's a bit nicer swiping away from the VM and doing something else when it updates but it's a real solid reminder why I "moved away".
      - SoftTalker 1y ago
        To be fair, every time I log into Ubuntu there are updates to install.
      - hulitu 1y ago
        > Every time I run the VM, it has windows updates to install You can disable with group policy. Or stop after boot the update service.
      - hyperman1 1y ago
        Funny, actually. I've noticed there is a point in dual booting where you do enough in Linux that you can't get back to windows without it updating. This pushes you to stay longer and longer in Linux, to avoid the dreaded update. I've already seen a few people accidentally pestering themselves out of windows this way.

dhosek 1y ago

But there’s still the option of using the desktop apps. Personally I hate using browser-based apps, but then I’m also old.

supportengineer 1y ago
Back when people still used dial-up, I once observed a sys admin in our IT department using a custom, proprietary Windows application developed by a vendor, used for ordering purposes. The whole thing was proprietary, client, protocol, and server, and it was awesome to behold.
- dhosek 1y ago
  That was pretty common back in those days. With the appification of a lot of websites, it’s coming back (albeit using rest instead of a proprietary protocol).
busterarm 1y ago
Except Windows itself is moving to make sure you're always online and requires an internet connection & Microsoft account to log in. I mean sure, this isn't the case if you're on an AD. I just wonder for how long.
- SubiculumCode 1y ago
  Windows moved to Always Online, but I moved to Never on Windows. Funny how that all works.
  - brewtide 1y ago
    I have a windows vm that I use perhaps every few weeks for sketchup (because for the life of me, I cannot get wine to run it correctly -- it'll run but not SAVE...). Every time I run the VM, it has windows updates to install. I guess it's a bit nicer swiping away from the VM and doing something else when it updates but it's a real solid reminder why I "moved away".
    - SoftTalker 1y ago
      To be fair, every time I log into Ubuntu there are updates to install.
    - hulitu 1y ago
      > Every time I run the VM, it has windows updates to install You can disable with group policy. Or stop after boot the update service.
    - hyperman1 1y ago
      Funny, actually. I've noticed there is a point in dual booting where you do enough in Linux that you can't get back to windows without it updating. This pushes you to stay longer and longer in Linux, to avoid the dreaded update. I've already seen a few people accidentally pestering themselves out of windows this way.