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the discourse around “corporations” has gotten absolutely ridiculous at this point, especially on this website.

d4mi3n 1y ago
It’s not an unreasonable take given historic behavior. Rather than decrying the cynicism, what steps can we take to ensure companies like Tesla/Waymo/etc are held accountable and incentivized to prioritize safety? Do we need hasher fines? Give auto regulators as much teeth as the FAA used to have during accident investigations? Genuinely curious to see how addressing reasonable concerns in these areas can be done.
- terminalshort 1y ago
  Why isn't allowing people to sue when they get hurt and general bad PR around safety enough? Did you see what happened to Boeing's stock price after those 737 crashes?
  - d4mi3n 1y ago
    I’d counter that with the Equifax breach that raised thei stock prices when it became clear they weren’t being fined into oblivion. Suing is also generally only a realistic option if you have money for a lawyer.
- trollbridge 1y ago
  Right. We have a precedent for how to have an ridiculously safe transportation system: accidents are investigated by the NTSB, and every accident is treated as an opportunity to make sure that particular failure never happens again.
varenc 1y ago
It's ironic given this forum began as a place for aspiring startup (Delaware C-Corp) founders.
- paganel 1y ago
  Some of us came here because we were finding programming.reddit.com too mainstream (after all this thing was written in Arc! of which almost no-one knew any details for sure, but it was Lisp, so Lisp cool), for sure we weren't visiting this place in order to become millionaires. Even though I agree, there was a time and a place (I'd say 2008-2010) when this forum was mostly populated by "I want to get rich!" people, maybe that is still the case and they've only learned to hide it better, I wouldn't know.
  - saalweachter 1y ago
    I feel like crypto has absorbed a lot of the "I want to get rich!", so that instead of posts about "Look at my burrito-as-a-service React app!" it's all "Invest in my Burritocoin!", which all kind of fades into the background like the ad banners our eyes pass over without seeing them.
renewiltord 1y ago
We feared the advent of LLMs since they could be used as convincing spam tools. Little did we know that humans would often do the same.
paganel 1y ago
I agree, much of the people here are still way too lenient when it comes to big corps.
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dmix 1y ago
South Park had a good satire on this sort of generic anti-corporation comment. paraphrasing "Corporations are bad" "Why?" "Because, you know, they act all corporate-y." https://www.tiktok.com/@plutotvuk/video/7311643257383963937 https://www.tiktok.com/@plutotvuk/video/7311643257383963937 (sorry googles first result was titktok)
terminalshort 1y ago
It really has turned into a bitter losers bitch fest in here
sagarm 1y ago
Corporations are bad because the diffusion of responsibility and legal liability shield turns them, to a first approximation, into amoral paperclip maximizers that will employ slave labor to save nickels and dimes. The invariably sociopathic leadership is a symptom, not a cause: they're the least encumbered by ethics, and the best fit for corporate leadership. The cure is a strong regulatory state.

It’s not an unreasonable take given historic behavior. Rather than decrying the cynicism, what steps can we take to ensure companies like Tesla/Waymo/etc are held accountable and incentivized to prioritize safety? Do we need hasher fines? Give auto regulators as much teeth as the FAA used to have during accident investigations? Genuinely curious to see how addressing reasonable concerns in these areas can be done.

terminalshort 1y ago
Why isn't allowing people to sue when they get hurt and general bad PR around safety enough? Did you see what happened to Boeing's stock price after those 737 crashes?
- d4mi3n 1y ago
  I’d counter that with the Equifax breach that raised thei stock prices when it became clear they weren’t being fined into oblivion. Suing is also generally only a realistic option if you have money for a lawyer.
trollbridge 1y ago
Right. We have a precedent for how to have an ridiculously safe transportation system: accidents are investigated by the NTSB, and every accident is treated as an opportunity to make sure that particular failure never happens again.

varenc 1y ago

It's ironic given this forum began as a place for aspiring startup (Delaware C-Corp) founders.

paganel 1y ago
Some of us came here because we were finding programming.reddit.com too mainstream (after all this thing was written in Arc! of which almost no-one knew any details for sure, but it was Lisp, so Lisp cool), for sure we weren't visiting this place in order to become millionaires. Even though I agree, there was a time and a place (I'd say 2008-2010) when this forum was mostly populated by "I want to get rich!" people, maybe that is still the case and they've only learned to hide it better, I wouldn't know.
- saalweachter 1y ago
  I feel like crypto has absorbed a lot of the "I want to get rich!", so that instead of posts about "Look at my burrito-as-a-service React app!" it's all "Invest in my Burritocoin!", which all kind of fades into the background like the ad banners our eyes pass over without seeing them.

renewiltord 1y ago

We feared the advent of LLMs since they could be used as convincing spam tools. Little did we know that humans would often do the same.

paganel 1y ago

I agree, much of the people here are still way too lenient when it comes to big corps.

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dmix 1y ago

South Park had a good satire on this sort of generic anti-corporation comment. paraphrasing "Corporations are bad" "Why?" "Because, you know, they act all corporate-y." https://www.tiktok.com/@plutotvuk/video/7311643257383963937 https://www.tiktok.com/@plutotvuk/video/7311643257383963937 (sorry googles first result was titktok)

terminalshort 1y ago

It really has turned into a bitter losers bitch fest in here

sagarm 1y ago

Corporations are bad because the diffusion of responsibility and legal liability shield turns them, to a first approximation, into amoral paperclip maximizers that will employ slave labor to save nickels and dimes. The invariably sociopathic leadership is a symptom, not a cause: they're the least encumbered by ethics, and the best fit for corporate leadership. The cure is a strong regulatory state.