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I'm not complaining, but like..maybe also do this for the vast majority of human drivers who also flout these rules.

by paxys 1y ago

GiorgioG 1y ago
I'm going to call bullshit on this. Most human drivers do not flout these rules.
- trollbridge 1y ago
  No kidding. Try doing this once or twice and the driver will record your information and you’ll get a nice visit from the police.
  - kotaKat 1y ago
    Out here in rural nowhere it doesn’t — it just gets the sheriff on the local news begging people to stop instead of solving the actual problem at hand by placing patrols on the routes. [1] https://www.wwnytv.com/2025/02/12/absolutely-terrifying-growing-problem-passing-stopped-school-buses/ https://www.wwnytv.com/2025/02/12/absolutely-terrifying-grow...
    - trollbridge 1y ago
      Out here in rural nowhere it most certainly does. The school bus driver will record your number plate, and school buses have the equivalent of dashcams now.
- criddell 1y ago
  I think maybe they meant that the majority of vehicles that flout the rules are human-driven.
basisword 1y ago
Human drivers can be seen and stopped by police and given an appropriate punishment. Self-driving cars have nobody to take accountability like that so you need to go back to the source.
- some_random 1y ago
  Yeah but in many cases they're not, traffic enforcement went way down during Covid and it's still down.
  - daseiner1 1y ago
    Most large cities I've lived in, general traffic enforcement essentially only exists on that month's/quarter's designated ticket-writing day. i.e., when highway patrol and city police just write speeding tickets all day to juice revenue
    - some_random 1y ago
      I don't know what large cities you've lived in, but that's not what any experts seems to be saying in any piece I've ever read. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/07/29/upshot/traffic-enforcement-dwindled.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/07/29/upshot/traffi...
- mitthrowaway2 1y ago
  Their license to operate can be taken away, which is what happened to Cruise.
bigstrat2003 1y ago
I mean, we do. The problem is that you need to be physically present to catch and deal with those people, and you can only really deal with one party (others will do their thing while a police officer is dealing with the first driver they stop). Not to mention that drivers change their behavior if they see the police around, so it's harder to catch them in the act. So for a variety of reasons it's harder to solve the human driver problem.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  With how cheap high definition cameras are, I don’t see why society needs a person to be physically present.
  - kjkjadksj 1y ago
    “Wasn’t me in the car”
    - lotsofpulp 1y ago
      Hence high definition camera. Most states have tints on windshield and dark tints on front windows as illegal. Also, the license plate is all that is needed, ticket the owner and they will readily give up the driver. Other countries have no issues with camera based traffic law enforcement.
      - kjkjadksj 1y ago
        At least in socal with the way camera based traffic enforcement it has basically no teeth and plenty of ways like my quote to weasel out. You can actually ignore the ticket that is mailed to you. I’m not even sure HD cameras would help here. You even have options built into the ticket to say it wasn’t you driving or that it was someone else you know of in a sort of check a couple boxes and mail it back fashion. However if you actually look up the status of your ticket with the ticket number on the web portal, then it counts as being served a ticket and you do have to pay or show up in court. Seems the way the law works is it needs some piece of two way communication. It doesn’t seem to work on a one way basis like it might in other countries. Maybe it is because most of our laws concerning technology are very much still structured for an analog world. E.g how in this case the old ritual of you being identified to have acknowledged the ticket by the cop writing it and handing it to you is preserved by you having to show you’ve actually received the ticket and consent to its validity viewing its status online.
righthand 1y ago
Yeah fair treatment for billion dollar corporations and robots and all. Who could forget. Waymo is such a lovely person, why would anyone ask them to do better?

I'm not complaining, but like..maybe also do this for the vast majority of human drivers who also flout these rules.

by paxys 1y ago

I'm not complaining, but like..maybe also do this for the vast majority of human drivers who also flout these rules.

GiorgioG 1y ago

I'm going to call bullshit on this. Most human drivers do not flout these rules.

trollbridge 1y ago
No kidding. Try doing this once or twice and the driver will record your information and you’ll get a nice visit from the police.
- kotaKat 1y ago
  Out here in rural nowhere it doesn’t — it just gets the sheriff on the local news begging people to stop instead of solving the actual problem at hand by placing patrols on the routes. [1] https://www.wwnytv.com/2025/02/12/absolutely-terrifying-growing-problem-passing-stopped-school-buses/ https://www.wwnytv.com/2025/02/12/absolutely-terrifying-grow...
  - trollbridge 1y ago
    Out here in rural nowhere it most certainly does. The school bus driver will record your number plate, and school buses have the equivalent of dashcams now.
criddell 1y ago
I think maybe they meant that the majority of vehicles that flout the rules are human-driven.

basisword 1y ago

Human drivers can be seen and stopped by police and given an appropriate punishment. Self-driving cars have nobody to take accountability like that so you need to go back to the source.

some_random 1y ago
Yeah but in many cases they're not, traffic enforcement went way down during Covid and it's still down.
- daseiner1 1y ago
  Most large cities I've lived in, general traffic enforcement essentially only exists on that month's/quarter's designated ticket-writing day. i.e., when highway patrol and city police just write speeding tickets all day to juice revenue
  - some_random 1y ago
    I don't know what large cities you've lived in, but that's not what any experts seems to be saying in any piece I've ever read. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/07/29/upshot/traffic-enforcement-dwindled.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/07/29/upshot/traffi...
mitthrowaway2 1y ago
Their license to operate can be taken away, which is what happened to Cruise.

bigstrat2003 1y ago

I mean, we do. The problem is that you need to be physically present to catch and deal with those people, and you can only really deal with one party (others will do their thing while a police officer is dealing with the first driver they stop). Not to mention that drivers change their behavior if they see the police around, so it's harder to catch them in the act. So for a variety of reasons it's harder to solve the human driver problem.

lotsofpulp 1y ago
With how cheap high definition cameras are, I don’t see why society needs a person to be physically present.
- kjkjadksj 1y ago
  “Wasn’t me in the car”
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    Hence high definition camera. Most states have tints on windshield and dark tints on front windows as illegal. Also, the license plate is all that is needed, ticket the owner and they will readily give up the driver. Other countries have no issues with camera based traffic law enforcement.
    - kjkjadksj 1y ago
      At least in socal with the way camera based traffic enforcement it has basically no teeth and plenty of ways like my quote to weasel out. You can actually ignore the ticket that is mailed to you. I’m not even sure HD cameras would help here. You even have options built into the ticket to say it wasn’t you driving or that it was someone else you know of in a sort of check a couple boxes and mail it back fashion. However if you actually look up the status of your ticket with the ticket number on the web portal, then it counts as being served a ticket and you do have to pay or show up in court. Seems the way the law works is it needs some piece of two way communication. It doesn’t seem to work on a one way basis like it might in other countries. Maybe it is because most of our laws concerning technology are very much still structured for an analog world. E.g how in this case the old ritual of you being identified to have acknowledged the ticket by the cop writing it and handing it to you is preserved by you having to show you’ve actually received the ticket and consent to its validity viewing its status online.

righthand 1y ago

Yeah fair treatment for billion dollar corporations and robots and all. Who could forget. Waymo is such a lovely person, why would anyone ask them to do better?