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compelling story, but I'd like to know how he translated an ip address in to a street address.

sliverstorm 14y ago
Well, there's a few possibilities. For example, if the ip address was associated with a DN, you could do a reverse-lookup and then do a whois.
- loboman 14y ago
  Also he might know the friend's ip if the friend sent him an email.
  - DanBC 14y ago
    Knowing the IP is the easy bit. Taking that IP and finding a street address is the tricky bit. It can be done with court orders. (In England. I have no idea how Ireland does it.)
    - loboman 14y ago
      If he knows the friend ip, he knows that they both match (friend = troll).
      - DanBC 14y ago
        Ah yes, sorry. I missed that.
adrianpike 14y ago
I'm also curious about this. One option would be to lure the troll to a site & pull down the location info from his browser - I'm not sure how readily the troll would authorize that, but maybe with some clever social engineering it could be done. His father did mention he was on his mobile a ton, so it's possible he got pretty accurate data, instead of just his local ISP. (Related - I'm on Clear right now, and apparently I'm in Portland. I'm actually up near Canada.)
skunkworks 14y ago
That was my first thought too. My guess would be a shortened URL that redirected to a private server, which then redirected to some Facebook contact form. Facebook message times could then be roughly correlated with IPs harvested from logs from the private server.
smoyer 14y ago
Or maybe Chloe tried to slip through the subnet while Miles traced his physical location by looking at the binary (http://blog.sfgate.com/tgoodman/2006/04/25/this-doesnt-make-any-sense-24/ http://blog.sfgate.com/tgoodman/2006/04/25/this-doesnt-make-...). That last season of 24 made me realize how little I knew about networking.
columbo 14y ago
Here's a possibility: On his blog he has a field to enter in your email address to subscribe to posts. If he's recording IP addresses there's a good chance his friend (not the son) would have put in his email to follow. Once he got the IP address of his Troll he could have just looked in his registration table on an off chance there was a match.
rednum 14y ago
Perhaps it was something like: 1. OP finds an IP in [insert-not-so-large-irish-city-name-here]. 2. OP remebers having a friend in [not-so-large-irish-city], somehow obtains his IP (which is not a hard thing). 3. Bingo, adresses match! 4. OP is confused, but then remembers that his friend has teenage soon, so he calls the friend to ask about the kid. In other words, if it were some random troll, he wouldn't be able to do this.
uiri 14y ago
It could have been something as simple as politely asking the ISP or the police. Given some of the circumstances which transpired and how difficult it may or may not be to get the ISP to give you the street address, I wouldn't be surprised if they went, or at least tried, that route. Keep in mind he translated three ip addresses into street addresses and two of them turned out to be public hotspots.
- skeletonjelly 14y ago
  I doubt asking kindly would yield personal information. This kind of social engineering can be used for bad as well and I'd doubt they'd leave the justice and investigative powers in the hands of a citizen.
giardini 14y ago
Find the ISP and ask for the user's information, either formally (with police assistance) or informally (pay someone for the info).

Well, there's a few possibilities. For example, if the ip address was associated with a DN, you could do a reverse-lookup and then do a whois.

loboman 14y ago
Also he might know the friend's ip if the friend sent him an email.
- DanBC 14y ago
  Knowing the IP is the easy bit. Taking that IP and finding a street address is the tricky bit. It can be done with court orders. (In England. I have no idea how Ireland does it.)
  - loboman 14y ago
    If he knows the friend ip, he knows that they both match (friend = troll).
    - DanBC 14y ago
      Ah yes, sorry. I missed that.

adrianpike 14y ago

I'm also curious about this. One option would be to lure the troll to a site & pull down the location info from his browser - I'm not sure how readily the troll would authorize that, but maybe with some clever social engineering it could be done. His father did mention he was on his mobile a ton, so it's possible he got pretty accurate data, instead of just his local ISP. (Related - I'm on Clear right now, and apparently I'm in Portland. I'm actually up near Canada.)

skunkworks 14y ago

That was my first thought too. My guess would be a shortened URL that redirected to a private server, which then redirected to some Facebook contact form. Facebook message times could then be roughly correlated with IPs harvested from logs from the private server.

smoyer 14y ago

Or maybe Chloe tried to slip through the subnet while Miles traced his physical location by looking at the binary (http://blog.sfgate.com/tgoodman/2006/04/25/this-doesnt-make-any-sense-24/ http://blog.sfgate.com/tgoodman/2006/04/25/this-doesnt-make-...). That last season of 24 made me realize how little I knew about networking.

columbo 14y ago

Here's a possibility: On his blog he has a field to enter in your email address to subscribe to posts. If he's recording IP addresses there's a good chance his friend (not the son) would have put in his email to follow. Once he got the IP address of his Troll he could have just looked in his registration table on an off chance there was a match.

rednum 14y ago

Perhaps it was something like: 1. OP finds an IP in [insert-not-so-large-irish-city-name-here]. 2. OP remebers having a friend in [not-so-large-irish-city], somehow obtains his IP (which is not a hard thing). 3. Bingo, adresses match! 4. OP is confused, but then remembers that his friend has teenage soon, so he calls the friend to ask about the kid. In other words, if it were some random troll, he wouldn't be able to do this.

uiri 14y ago

It could have been something as simple as politely asking the ISP or the police. Given some of the circumstances which transpired and how difficult it may or may not be to get the ISP to give you the street address, I wouldn't be surprised if they went, or at least tried, that route. Keep in mind he translated three ip addresses into street addresses and two of them turned out to be public hotspots.

skeletonjelly 14y ago
I doubt asking kindly would yield personal information. This kind of social engineering can be used for bad as well and I'd doubt they'd leave the justice and investigative powers in the hands of a citizen.

giardini 14y ago

Find the ISP and ask for the user's information, either formally (with police assistance) or informally (pay someone for the info).