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regular cars?

by vincnetas 1y ago

regular cars?

MonaroVXR 1y ago
The Honda issue where setting a certain radio station, would brick the infotainment? That good enough?
- dgoldstein0 1y ago
  Never heard of this. Link please?
  - shakna 1y ago
    Don't know about Honda, but there is this Mazda one [0] (Would not be surprised if it affected multiple vendors!) [0] https://www.soundandvision.com/content/remembering-time-when-radio-station-bricked-your-car-s-radio https://www.soundandvision.com/content/remembering-time-when...
    - dgoldstein0 1y ago
      Yikes. I missed that. Makes sense it wasn't just the station it was tuned to but the particular data they broadcasted; insane there was no way to power reset the system into a good state.
  - deleted 1y ago
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- alias_neo 1y ago
  > That good enough? Not really. Does the car still drive? That sounds like a software bug; hardly indicative that the entire car is held together with duct tape, but a pretty bad bug non the less.
  - shadowgovt 1y ago
    The browser still drives when Google throws up a safety warning. It's just harder to drive to one house, and the homeowner is justifiably irritated about this.
    - 0xbadcafebee 1y ago
      More accurate: a mom-n-pop grocery store has its listing on Google Maps changed to PERMANENTLY CLOSED DUE TO TOXIC HEALTH HAZARDS because the mom-n-pop grocery store didn't submit Form 26B/Z to Google. There was never any health hazard, but now everyone thinks there is, and nobody can/will go there. The fact that Form 26B/Z exists at all is problematic, but what makes it terrible is the way it's used to punish businesses for not filling out a form they didn't know existed.
      - shadowgovt 1y ago
        This is an excellent analogy because it is incumbent upon businesses to follow all the laws, including the ones they don't know about. That's one of the reasons "lawyer" is a profession. Google doesn't have the force of law (it's in this context acting more like a Yelp: "1 star review --- our secret shopper showed up and the manager didn't give the secret 'we are not criminals' hand sign"), but the basic idea is the same: there is a complex web of interactions that can impact your online presence and experts in the field you can choose to hire for consulting or not. Didn't used to be that way, but the web used to be a community of 100,000 people, not 5.6 billion. Everything gets more complicated when you add more people.
    - alias_neo 1y ago
      The other commenter's analogy of a small-business is better I think, the issue with the browser problem is that it doesn't hinder one person getting to one house, it hinders all persons getting to one place the owner _wants_ people to get to easily. The browser issue can destroy a small business, one thing I think we can universally agree we don't want. If all of the people who come looking for it find it's being marked as malicious or just can't get there at all, they lose customers. Worse yet, is that Google holds the keys because everyone uses Chrome, and you have to play their game by their rules just to keep breathing.
  - wredcoll 1y ago
    The road network is a much better analogy here.
  - froggit 1y ago
    So i can't remember the specifics or find any references, but many years ago i remember reading about a car (prius maybe?) that would shut off and lock the doors when pulling away from a stop. (Ex: stopped at a red light, when it turns green the car would go far enough to cut off in the middle of an intersection then trap everyone inside.) "This is Fine."
    - alias_neo 1y ago
      That's terrifying.
shadowgovt 1y ago
Jeep just had an OTA update cause the car to shut down on the highway (it is rumored). Before we put computers in cars, we had the myriad small things that would break (stuck doors, stuck windows, failed seals, leaking gaskets), a continuous stream of recalls for low-probability safety issues, and the occasional Gremlin or Pinto. My favorite example is the Hyundai Elantra. They changed the alloy used in one of the parts in the undercarriage. Tested that model to death for a year, as they do, but their proving ground is in the southern United States. Several winters later, it turns out that road salt attacks the hell out of that alloy and people have wheels flying off their cars in the middle of the road.

regular cars?

MonaroVXR 1y ago

The Honda issue where setting a certain radio station, would brick the infotainment? That good enough?

dgoldstein0 1y ago
Never heard of this. Link please?
- shakna 1y ago
  Don't know about Honda, but there is this Mazda one [0] (Would not be surprised if it affected multiple vendors!) [0] https://www.soundandvision.com/content/remembering-time-when-radio-station-bricked-your-car-s-radio https://www.soundandvision.com/content/remembering-time-when...
  - dgoldstein0 1y ago
    Yikes. I missed that. Makes sense it wasn't just the station it was tuned to but the particular data they broadcasted; insane there was no way to power reset the system into a good state.
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
alias_neo 1y ago
> That good enough? Not really. Does the car still drive? That sounds like a software bug; hardly indicative that the entire car is held together with duct tape, but a pretty bad bug non the less.
- shadowgovt 1y ago
  The browser still drives when Google throws up a safety warning. It's just harder to drive to one house, and the homeowner is justifiably irritated about this.
  - 0xbadcafebee 1y ago
    More accurate: a mom-n-pop grocery store has its listing on Google Maps changed to PERMANENTLY CLOSED DUE TO TOXIC HEALTH HAZARDS because the mom-n-pop grocery store didn't submit Form 26B/Z to Google. There was never any health hazard, but now everyone thinks there is, and nobody can/will go there. The fact that Form 26B/Z exists at all is problematic, but what makes it terrible is the way it's used to punish businesses for not filling out a form they didn't know existed.
    - shadowgovt 1y ago
      This is an excellent analogy because it is incumbent upon businesses to follow all the laws, including the ones they don't know about. That's one of the reasons "lawyer" is a profession. Google doesn't have the force of law (it's in this context acting more like a Yelp: "1 star review --- our secret shopper showed up and the manager didn't give the secret 'we are not criminals' hand sign"), but the basic idea is the same: there is a complex web of interactions that can impact your online presence and experts in the field you can choose to hire for consulting or not. Didn't used to be that way, but the web used to be a community of 100,000 people, not 5.6 billion. Everything gets more complicated when you add more people.
  - alias_neo 1y ago
    The other commenter's analogy of a small-business is better I think, the issue with the browser problem is that it doesn't hinder one person getting to one house, it hinders all persons getting to one place the owner _wants_ people to get to easily. The browser issue can destroy a small business, one thing I think we can universally agree we don't want. If all of the people who come looking for it find it's being marked as malicious or just can't get there at all, they lose customers. Worse yet, is that Google holds the keys because everyone uses Chrome, and you have to play their game by their rules just to keep breathing.
- wredcoll 1y ago
  The road network is a much better analogy here.
- froggit 1y ago
  So i can't remember the specifics or find any references, but many years ago i remember reading about a car (prius maybe?) that would shut off and lock the doors when pulling away from a stop. (Ex: stopped at a red light, when it turns green the car would go far enough to cut off in the middle of an intersection then trap everyone inside.) "This is Fine."
  - alias_neo 1y ago
    That's terrifying.

shadowgovt 1y ago

Jeep just had an OTA update cause the car to shut down on the highway (it is rumored). Before we put computers in cars, we had the myriad small things that would break (stuck doors, stuck windows, failed seals, leaking gaskets), a continuous stream of recalls for low-probability safety issues, and the occasional Gremlin or Pinto. My favorite example is the Hyundai Elantra. They changed the alloy used in one of the parts in the undercarriage. Tested that model to death for a year, as they do, but their proving ground is in the southern United States. Several winters later, it turns out that road salt attacks the hell out of that alloy and people have wheels flying off their cars in the middle of the road.