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I am choosing to let them install kernel level software because I want to be able to play multiplayer games without cheaters. There doesn't seem to be any other

I am choosing to let them install kernel level software because I want to be able to play multiplayer games without cheaters. There doesn't seem to be any other way that people have found to effectively block cheaters. A user is in full control of their Linux install, which is great... unless I want to play them in a game and they decide to cheat. It is a tradeoff, yes, but one I choose to make because being able to play cheater free multiplayer games is worth it to me.

Gigachad 1y ago
Just play with your actual friends. If they start cheating you can go over and kick them in the nuts. Match making was a horrible development for gaming.
- cortesoft 1y ago
  I play games at odd hours, when I get a chance between a busy life with being a father and working full time. I have a once a week game night with my friends, and we play games together online. However, most of the time I just want to play a few quick games. I don't want to try to organize with friends or do anything like that. I just want to play some people in fun competitive games. Online matchmaking is what lets that be possible. I used to dream of having something like that, all the way back when I first started playing online games when you had to call your friend, then tell your family not to pick up the phone because it was your friend calling your modem, then lose connection when your sister tried to make a call. I remember having to set up a code with my friend; if the phone rang twice and then hung up, that means the next call would be me on a voice call wanting to talk, otherwise let the modem answer it. I used to dream about being able to play people at any hour of the day, and now it is possible. It is an amazing invention.
- iknowstuff 1y ago
  Such a hn comment. “Just dont do this thing you bought the game to do” I play cod with friends so we can frag other players together.
ryandrake 1y ago
I’d almost be ok with this if the kernel-level malware actually stopped cheaters but it doesn’t! Most (all?) modern multiplayer shooters that employ anti-cheats still are struggling with cheaters. So you get the worst of both worlds: you need to install a rootkit and still have to deal with cheaters. Why do gamers accept this abuse?
- janwl 1y ago
  Kernel-level anti cheats are not perfect, but they decrease the amount of cheaters to the point where they stop being “common” and become “extremely rare”. An imperfect solution is much better than no solution.
slumberlust 1y ago
There is a way. Custom servers with commuties police cheaters willingly and consistently. It also lets games exist beyond the corporate lifecycle.
- cortesoft 1y ago
  My favorite part about playing Madden and FIFA/FC is that I can login, hit play online, and within 30 seconds I am playing against someone who is pretty close to my skill level. That is impossible with custom servers. I have played MANY games that are based around custom servers (and still play some today), and there are many great qualities with those types of games. However, you lose that 'find a good game in under a minute' quality. I am older now, and I don't want to spend the time to find and join custom servers. I don't want to have to talk to people or deal with server admins or get caught up in drama that a community like that can have. I just want to play competitive, fair games.
  - ndriscoll 1y ago
    Warcraft 3 had random ranked matchmaking and hosted games. It's entirely possible to do both side-by-side.
  - slumberlust 1y ago
    Why can't game search include custom servers? Imperfect solutions can still be great solutions.
monocasa 1y ago
> I am choosing to let them install kernel level software because I want to be able to play multiplayer games without cheaters. Except this way doesn't actually stop cheaters. A quick google shows that there's BF6 hacks for sale if I want to cheat.
- etempleton 1y ago
  It significantly reduces the number of cheaters and makes catching and banking cheaters easier. I hate it too, but that is just the reality right now.

Gigachad 1y ago

Just play with your actual friends. If they start cheating you can go over and kick them in the nuts. Match making was a horrible development for gaming.

cortesoft 1y ago
I play games at odd hours, when I get a chance between a busy life with being a father and working full time. I have a once a week game night with my friends, and we play games together online. However, most of the time I just want to play a few quick games. I don't want to try to organize with friends or do anything like that. I just want to play some people in fun competitive games. Online matchmaking is what lets that be possible. I used to dream of having something like that, all the way back when I first started playing online games when you had to call your friend, then tell your family not to pick up the phone because it was your friend calling your modem, then lose connection when your sister tried to make a call. I remember having to set up a code with my friend; if the phone rang twice and then hung up, that means the next call would be me on a voice call wanting to talk, otherwise let the modem answer it. I used to dream about being able to play people at any hour of the day, and now it is possible. It is an amazing invention.
iknowstuff 1y ago
Such a hn comment. “Just dont do this thing you bought the game to do” I play cod with friends so we can frag other players together.

ryandrake 1y ago

I’d almost be ok with this if the kernel-level malware actually stopped cheaters but it doesn’t! Most (all?) modern multiplayer shooters that employ anti-cheats still are struggling with cheaters. So you get the worst of both worlds: you need to install a rootkit and still have to deal with cheaters. Why do gamers accept this abuse?

janwl 1y ago
Kernel-level anti cheats are not perfect, but they decrease the amount of cheaters to the point where they stop being “common” and become “extremely rare”. An imperfect solution is much better than no solution.

slumberlust 1y ago

There is a way. Custom servers with commuties police cheaters willingly and consistently. It also lets games exist beyond the corporate lifecycle.

cortesoft 1y ago
My favorite part about playing Madden and FIFA/FC is that I can login, hit play online, and within 30 seconds I am playing against someone who is pretty close to my skill level. That is impossible with custom servers. I have played MANY games that are based around custom servers (and still play some today), and there are many great qualities with those types of games. However, you lose that 'find a good game in under a minute' quality. I am older now, and I don't want to spend the time to find and join custom servers. I don't want to have to talk to people or deal with server admins or get caught up in drama that a community like that can have. I just want to play competitive, fair games.
- ndriscoll 1y ago
  Warcraft 3 had random ranked matchmaking and hosted games. It's entirely possible to do both side-by-side.
- slumberlust 1y ago
  Why can't game search include custom servers? Imperfect solutions can still be great solutions.

monocasa 1y ago

> I am choosing to let them install kernel level software because I want to be able to play multiplayer games without cheaters. Except this way doesn't actually stop cheaters. A quick google shows that there's BF6 hacks for sale if I want to cheat.

etempleton 1y ago
It significantly reduces the number of cheaters and makes catching and banking cheaters easier. I hate it too, but that is just the reality right now.