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I agree with you that opera should support web sprockets, and I sympathize with web developers making the decision to develop for new technology and browsers th

I agree with you that opera should support web sprockets, and I sympathize with web developers making the decision to develop for new technology and browsers that don't support it be damned. But the actual message myspace displays is pretty needlessly snarky and stupidly insulting. I also have zero faith they'll be able to update their browser detection script often enough to avoid looking like dinosaurs themselves from time to time.

khet 14y ago
It takes character and guts to stand up for something. I think MySpace can be credited for that. The snark-iness was probably meant more for ie6-7 users than Opera users.
- prodigal_erik 14y ago
  Demanding conformity from human beings (how dare you choose a different tool?) is the opposite of character, though doing it this brazenly does take guts.
- jarek 14y ago
  > It takes character and guts to stand up for something. What does showing a message "Our superpowers have detected you're using an outdated browser. That must mean: a - You don't use the Internet very often. b - You're at your parents' place on the PC they bought in 1996. c - You work for the government or a big corporation." to users using a browser released in the past month stand up for, other than ignorance?
  - esrauch 14y ago
    Doesn't it seem far more likely to be indifference to a negligible market share than ignorance of Opera's existence? It's not worth their money to spend any amount of time making a custom error for "Your browser is new, but we don't support it anyway" separate from "Your browser is old and we don't support it" when 99.9% of the people seeing the message are in the latter category.
    - jarek 14y ago
      I was referring specifically to khet's statement I quoted. What is Myspace "standing up for" here?
  - tripzilch 14y ago
    Maybe they meant to say "outdated or foreign browser" and "d. You're a freedom-hating socialist commie", seeing as it's the only browser not developed in the US? ;-)
Tomis02 14y ago
Opera does support web sockets: opera:config#UserPrefs|EnableWebSockets They are not enabled by default, that's all. So it's not just that the message is snarky and insulting, it reflects ignorance as well.
- notatoad 14y ago
  speaking of reflecting ignorance: thinking that disabled-by-default browser settings count as support.
  - gcr 14y ago
    No reason to be snarky. Opera chose to disable websockets because of security flaws; see http://www.webmonkey.com/2010/12/security-flaws-force-firefox-opera-to-turn-off-websockets/ http://www.webmonkey.com/2010/12/security-flaws-force-firefo...

khet 14y ago

It takes character and guts to stand up for something. I think MySpace can be credited for that. The snark-iness was probably meant more for ie6-7 users than Opera users.

prodigal_erik 14y ago
Demanding conformity from human beings (how dare you choose a different tool?) is the opposite of character, though doing it this brazenly does take guts.
jarek 14y ago
> It takes character and guts to stand up for something. What does showing a message "Our superpowers have detected you're using an outdated browser. That must mean: a - You don't use the Internet very often. b - You're at your parents' place on the PC they bought in 1996. c - You work for the government or a big corporation." to users using a browser released in the past month stand up for, other than ignorance?
- esrauch 14y ago
  Doesn't it seem far more likely to be indifference to a negligible market share than ignorance of Opera's existence? It's not worth their money to spend any amount of time making a custom error for "Your browser is new, but we don't support it anyway" separate from "Your browser is old and we don't support it" when 99.9% of the people seeing the message are in the latter category.
  - jarek 14y ago
    I was referring specifically to khet's statement I quoted. What is Myspace "standing up for" here?
- tripzilch 14y ago
  Maybe they meant to say "outdated or foreign browser" and "d. You're a freedom-hating socialist commie", seeing as it's the only browser not developed in the US? ;-)

Tomis02 14y ago

Opera does support web sockets: opera:config#UserPrefs|EnableWebSockets They are not enabled by default, that's all. So it's not just that the message is snarky and insulting, it reflects ignorance as well.

notatoad 14y ago
speaking of reflecting ignorance: thinking that disabled-by-default browser settings count as support.
- gcr 14y ago
  No reason to be snarky. Opera chose to disable websockets because of security flaws; see http://www.webmonkey.com/2010/12/security-flaws-force-firefox-opera-to-turn-off-websockets/ http://www.webmonkey.com/2010/12/security-flaws-force-firefo...