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Kernel-level DRM isn't a chicken/egg problem; it's completely at odds with people who are choosing to run an OS that obeys them instead of some random third par

Kernel-level DRM isn't a chicken/egg problem; it's completely at odds with people who are choosing to run an OS that obeys them instead of some random third party like Microsoft/Google/Apple on hardware they own. Voting with their wallet is precisely what the other user said they do.

dijit 1y ago
I don’t really know who you’re talking to? Your options are, 1. Buy Windows. Means you has absolutely no control. 2. Promote the development of anti-cheat on the linux, where you can not install it because you don’t like it. No idea that you’re arguing against me, when all I’m doing is arguing for increased amount of freedom is tad silly.. no?
- pjmlp 1y ago
  Most gamers go with 3., buy a XBox, Playstation, Nintendo, or 4., stick with mobile games, in both cases go with a walled garden solution.
  - dijit 1y ago
    Yeah, thats a totally fair addition. In fact, it’s one I chose at home (option 3) because I was unwilling to compromise my computing environment just so I could browse the internet and program on the same device I play games with. If publishers were comfortable developing for Linux, maybe that would change, I don’t think it has to be so binary as “either you have total control or none at all”, especially since there’s so many non-free components to your system already and multiplayer games are a luxury product (and thus; totally optional).
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      The irony is that they already do, that is what Android games developed with NDK are. So it would be rather easy to port such games to GNU/Linux, they don't bother, because of the cost/benefit in doing so.
      - dijit 1y ago
        its not that easy, Androids userland is pretty far from a valid Linux target, there’s a lot of platform hand holding that exists.
        pjmlp 1y ago
        It is the same in what matters, ISO C and ISO C++ support, OpenGL ES, Vulkan, OpenSL ES and OpenMAX. Much closer than porting Win32/DirectX, LibGNM(X)/OrbisOS and so on.
        dijit 1y ago
        I think a better comparison would be porting a game from PC to XBox. Technically the renderers and kernels are the same, but almost everything else, from debuggers and SDKs to peripherals is different.
        pjmlp 1y ago
        Ah, ok from that point of view you're right.
- ndriscoll 1y ago
  Option 3 was already stated: don't buy software that requires a DRM rootkit. Vote against it with your wallet. Battlefield 6 requires a rootkit? Battlefield 1942 and 2 are still fun and don't. I've had only Linux on my home computers for like a decade now, and Windows has since then become unusable so I'm not going back. Why would I buy software that won't run?
  - iknowstuff 1y ago
    Your wallet has next to no voting power as is, in part due to self inflicted injuries making gnu/linux unviable for game development. Or any app development for that matter.

dijit 1y ago

I don’t really know who you’re talking to? Your options are, 1. Buy Windows. Means you has absolutely no control. 2. Promote the development of anti-cheat on the linux, where you can not install it because you don’t like it. No idea that you’re arguing against me, when all I’m doing is arguing for increased amount of freedom is tad silly.. no?

pjmlp 1y ago
Most gamers go with 3., buy a XBox, Playstation, Nintendo, or 4., stick with mobile games, in both cases go with a walled garden solution.
- dijit 1y ago
  Yeah, thats a totally fair addition. In fact, it’s one I chose at home (option 3) because I was unwilling to compromise my computing environment just so I could browse the internet and program on the same device I play games with. If publishers were comfortable developing for Linux, maybe that would change, I don’t think it has to be so binary as “either you have total control or none at all”, especially since there’s so many non-free components to your system already and multiplayer games are a luxury product (and thus; totally optional).
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    The irony is that they already do, that is what Android games developed with NDK are. So it would be rather easy to port such games to GNU/Linux, they don't bother, because of the cost/benefit in doing so.
    - dijit 1y ago
      its not that easy, Androids userland is pretty far from a valid Linux target, there’s a lot of platform hand holding that exists.
      - pjmlp 1y ago
        It is the same in what matters, ISO C and ISO C++ support, OpenGL ES, Vulkan, OpenSL ES and OpenMAX. Much closer than porting Win32/DirectX, LibGNM(X)/OrbisOS and so on.
        dijit 1y ago
        I think a better comparison would be porting a game from PC to XBox. Technically the renderers and kernels are the same, but almost everything else, from debuggers and SDKs to peripherals is different.
        pjmlp 1y ago
        Ah, ok from that point of view you're right.
ndriscoll 1y ago
Option 3 was already stated: don't buy software that requires a DRM rootkit. Vote against it with your wallet. Battlefield 6 requires a rootkit? Battlefield 1942 and 2 are still fun and don't. I've had only Linux on my home computers for like a decade now, and Windows has since then become unusable so I'm not going back. Why would I buy software that won't run?
- iknowstuff 1y ago
  Your wallet has next to no voting power as is, in part due to self inflicted injuries making gnu/linux unviable for game development. Or any app development for that matter.