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Is it defeatism? I don’t game on Linux and generally like Windows, but from a principle and security perspective I’d preferably check a box on Windows to disall

Is it defeatism? I don’t game on Linux and generally like Windows, but from a principle and security perspective I’d preferably check a box on Windows to disallow any kernel-level anticheat from installing, and avoid any such games.

dijit 1y ago
That’s fine, then those games are not available to you. I’ll be honest, no matter how unpopular it is I’m really sorry, but those kind of solutions genuinely are the only way. I’ve said it before on HN, but we really do try everything. And not having anything leads to some of the worst experiences possible. If you genuinely have a better solution, then you are more than welcome to enter the industry and make a significant amount of money. Hell, I’ll offer you a job right now.
- ndriscoll 1y ago
  Simple solution that makes everyone happy: make it optional. Anticheat was optional in pretty much every 00s game that had it, and even in the servers that had it disabled, cheating was still rarely an issue. Diablo 2 even let you still bring your single player characters that you could obviously cheat with (which everyone knew from Diablo 1) onto Open Battle.net. Make the Internet optional like it used to be while you're at it with LAN/direct IP support so you can stick to friends only and keep your purchase forever. Oh but then you can't make all of your revenue on stuff like gambling for textures that anyone could just mod in like they used to.
  - dijit 1y ago
    Interesting thought, maybe I do this in my next game. I doubt it will show what you expect, but hey, I’ve been wrong before.
- Marsymars 1y ago
  > That’s fine, then those games are not available to you. See, this is my problem. I have no interest in online multiplayer, so anti-cheat is purely of negative value to me. I understand the problem with cheaters, and if I did play multiplayer games, I'd want every effort taken to eliminate cheating. I'd be perfectly happy if I could uncheck the "anti-cheat and online capabilities" checkbox in the game installer (or have it default unchecked when the OS indicates that anticheat isn't supported), and I could go on my way and play my single player game. IMO that's a better solution technically, and for me personally, but I don't know that there's much money to be made in sales to single-player-only non-microtransaction-consuming gamers who were otherwise forgoing games.
  - cortesoft 1y ago
    A lot of games do have this feature.

dijit 1y ago

That’s fine, then those games are not available to you. I’ll be honest, no matter how unpopular it is I’m really sorry, but those kind of solutions genuinely are the only way. I’ve said it before on HN, but we really do try everything. And not having anything leads to some of the worst experiences possible. If you genuinely have a better solution, then you are more than welcome to enter the industry and make a significant amount of money. Hell, I’ll offer you a job right now.

ndriscoll 1y ago
Simple solution that makes everyone happy: make it optional. Anticheat was optional in pretty much every 00s game that had it, and even in the servers that had it disabled, cheating was still rarely an issue. Diablo 2 even let you still bring your single player characters that you could obviously cheat with (which everyone knew from Diablo 1) onto Open Battle.net. Make the Internet optional like it used to be while you're at it with LAN/direct IP support so you can stick to friends only and keep your purchase forever. Oh but then you can't make all of your revenue on stuff like gambling for textures that anyone could just mod in like they used to.
- dijit 1y ago
  Interesting thought, maybe I do this in my next game. I doubt it will show what you expect, but hey, I’ve been wrong before.
Marsymars 1y ago
> That’s fine, then those games are not available to you. See, this is my problem. I have no interest in online multiplayer, so anti-cheat is purely of negative value to me. I understand the problem with cheaters, and if I did play multiplayer games, I'd want every effort taken to eliminate cheating. I'd be perfectly happy if I could uncheck the "anti-cheat and online capabilities" checkbox in the game installer (or have it default unchecked when the OS indicates that anticheat isn't supported), and I could go on my way and play my single player game. IMO that's a better solution technically, and for me personally, but I don't know that there's much money to be made in sales to single-player-only non-microtransaction-consuming gamers who were otherwise forgoing games.
- cortesoft 1y ago
  A lot of games do have this feature.