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Officials scrub data showing US citizens swept up in immigration arrests
- Terr_ 1y agoWe must (socially) assume all arrests are US citizens by default, and it is up to the Florida/federal government to assert otherwise on an individual basis.
- tartarus4o 1y agoWhat you describe is the principle of presumption of innocence. Shame it seems to be a lost concept in the land of the free nowadays.
- Terr_ 1y agoI feel it goes a bit beyond that, because at this point it's also the presumption that those governments are operating recklessly and with knowing dishonestly.
- flowerthoughts 1y agoYou could argue that presuming you're an alien implies that rights given by law don't necessarily apply to you. It's far worse than being presumed guilty.
- heavyset_go 1y agoThis is why due process is so important, and why it's terrifying that it's being hand-waved away. If you had a problem with Bush & Obama suspending habeas corpus, this should be setting off alarm bells for you if, for whatever reason, recent events haven't.
- RickJWagner 1y ago[flagged]
- bryanlarsen 1y agoThat's not true, there was massive coverage of that sort of thing during the Obama administration. There's a reason DACA was a major portion of Obama's efforts.
- aaomidi 1y agoAnd also, many actual progressives hate Obama too for many of these anti democratic decisions.
- RickJWagner 1y agoI find this a good response. If a person faults Trump equally with Obama, I believe they are acting logically. If the person considers Obama a saint and Trump a demon, then I have to wonder why.
- bryanlarsen 1y ago"equally" is highly suspect. Just like most presidents on both the R & D sides, Obama made a bunch of mistakes and was no saint. Trump cannot be considered normal or lumped together with "most presidents".
- aaomidi 1y agoYou’re basically saying party line people are kinda stupid and yeah. You’re right.