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> People are, as a rule, susceptible to what they are told. Research shows that suggestibility is actually moderately correlated with trauma.
by Schmerika 1y ago
> People are, as a rule, susceptible to what they are told.
Research shows that suggestibility is actually moderately correlated with trauma.
- Jensson 1y agoIf so then its true, telling traumatized people that they are traumatized makes it worse for them.
- paulryanrogers 1y agoCorrelation is ~not~ [actually] causation?
- Xelbair 1y agohow do you determine causation from correlation in experiment where you are unable to separate all the factors? you can't. not agreeing with one side or other - because i frankly don't know enough about it to form an opinion, but using "correlation != causation" is basically a discussion stopper.
- paulryanrogers 1y agoMy point is their claim assumes causation despite the fact that we may never be able to prove it. I.e. a strong claim with no evidence besides a correlation.
- Jensson 1y agoNobody suggested there was a causation here as that doesn't matter for what was talked about.
- Jensson 1y agoDoesn't matter, suggestibility was correlated with trauma, which means they are likely to be suggestible to becoming miserable if you tell them they are.
- Retric 1y agoThat requires someone to tell them they are miserable rather than observing them to be miserable. There’s a lot of historic terms to describe people suffering from traumatic experiences like shell shocked (WWI), soldier’s hart (US civil war), lost/bewildered (US Revolutionary War), etc going back literally thousands of years.
- Jensson 1y agoNo it doesn't, I didn't say the source of their misery was people telling them that they are, but it could make it worse. Often the best cure is for your friends and family to treat you just like normal, except maybe demand a bit less and give space.
- Retric 1y agoThat’s a common response by friends and family but it’s simply not the best cure. Often it makes things worse and can lead to suicide through feelings of alienation.
- motorest 1y ago> No it doesn't, I didn't say the source of their misery was people telling them that they are, but it could make it worse. It sounds like you're advocating for repressing traumatic experiences hoping to not cause inconveniences.
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- strken 1y agoYou need to separate physical trauma from psychological trauma. There's no debate that getting hit in the head or having explosives go off nearby can cause physical brain damage. That's empirically proven (at least in animal models) and so obvious that it's hard to argue against. What I'm unclear on is the details: is physical trauma a necessary factor in shell shock as it was understood a century or more ago? Is that shell shock the same thing as the combat stress reaction and/or post-traumatic stress disorder? Is PTSD an amalgamation of two different things that aren't the same? To what extent does suggestion worsen the physical vs psychological sides of PTSD? Is suggestion the only thing that causes shell shock, the CSR, and/or PTSD in the absence of physical damage? Etc.
- sznio 1y agoNo it doesn't. In my case, that reassurance finally gave me a foundation to work on. I finally knew that it wasn't my fault. I understood thst I didn't deserve what happened. I didn't need to chastise myself for breaking down during flashbacks. For the first time in my life my emotions got a concrete basis of "Yes, that is trauma. It's fucked up. You can work on it." and not "Why are you still worrying about stuff from 20 years ago" or "Well that happens to everyone, and they don't break down like you".