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If Gabe Newell gets hit by a bus, what happens when his estate sells majority control to pay the inheritance and estate taxes? With federal taxes of 40% over $

If Gabe Newell gets hit by a bus, what happens when his estate sells majority control to pay the inheritance and estate taxes? With federal taxes of 40% over $15 million, there's no way his estate maintains majority control, no matter Gabe's good intentions. After that, we can look forward to Microsoft Steam. Or, if the FTC is annoyed, Amazon Steam.

terribleperson 1y ago
You're assuming that Gabe Newell doesn't have massive non-steam assets that can be used to pay the estate tax.
- gjsman-1000 1y ago
  A. What assets matter at this scale? B. They are also taxed at 40% C. And the estate may just want to sell more Steam shares to keep whatever they are intact D. Even if by some miracle Gabe Newell still owns the required ~85% of Steam to barely squeak by on federal estate taxes ($16B presumed valuation = ~$5.5 billion tax bill if he owned 85%, leaving him with ~51% after payment), who is taking the reins? - edits - additional points - E. I forgot Gabe Newell lives in Seattle. If Washington is his actual residence, then Washington has an additional 35% tax rate on high-value estates. Which makes it completely impossible even with 100% ownership. F. Why would his estate even bother trying to salvage Gabe's vision at this point, when they're left with an illiquid minority stake? A very possible scenario is to sell all shares they possess, in one transaction. The possibility of majority control could inflate the share price dramatically over a piecemeal sale. G. In which case, within 9 months of Gabe's death (IRS deadline), there is a high likelihood there will be an estate auction of all shares to any willing purchaser (highest value per share extracted + tax bill paid). And that purchaser will then have immediate intent to cash in. H. Betting on Steam then, promoting them as better than other companies, is completely dependent on Gabe's actuarial tables. Not to be harsh but just honest, considering Gabe's decades of obesity before getting to a healthier place now, they're probably worse than average, as long-term obesity has persistent irrevocable effects. (This sounds harsh, but actuarial analysis is directly used in insurance and estate planning; you can be assured every major company's CEO has been assessed.)
  - nosrepa 1y ago
    A. Well, he does own a fleet of yachts.
    - eru 1y ago
      Yachts are a hole in the water that you throw money into. Ie they are more of a consumption than an investment.
  - terribleperson 1y ago
    Just speaking from things we can see, he owns yachts, a yacht building company, and a racing team. He also quite likely has a large investment portfolio like every other billionaire on the planet.
    - gjsman-1000 1y ago
      Let's say all those things added up to even $2B, as a hypothetical. That means there's a $800M tax bill to keep those assets. If the estate has already lost majority control of Steam regardless; there's no real reason to not hand over even more of Steam, to keep hold of those other assets.
      - eru 1y ago
        Why would the estate have lost majority control of Steam regardless?
  - ryandrake 1y ago
    I’d have to assume that a man of his wealth has an army of accountants and attorneys working for him and they have his assets sufficiently shielded from taxes through webs of trusts, shell companies, charitable foundations and so on.
kjkjadksj 1y ago
Don’t rich people just gift their money and assets to a relative or trust to avoid those inheritance taxes?
- gjsman-1000 1y ago
  The Federal Gift tax is the same as the inheritance tax - 40% - after the thresholds are maxed out. Trusts also pay the gift tax at the time of the transfer. Trusts grant control, not much in tax exemptions at this scale.
  - eru 1y ago
    Do these taxes still apply, even if you use a charitable trust?
eru 1y ago
Obviously, Gabe Newell should move to Singapore or another location without inheritance and estate taxes.

terribleperson 1y ago

You're assuming that Gabe Newell doesn't have massive non-steam assets that can be used to pay the estate tax.

gjsman-1000 1y ago
A. What assets matter at this scale? B. They are also taxed at 40% C. And the estate may just want to sell more Steam shares to keep whatever they are intact D. Even if by some miracle Gabe Newell still owns the required ~85% of Steam to barely squeak by on federal estate taxes ($16B presumed valuation = ~$5.5 billion tax bill if he owned 85%, leaving him with ~51% after payment), who is taking the reins? - edits - additional points - E. I forgot Gabe Newell lives in Seattle. If Washington is his actual residence, then Washington has an additional 35% tax rate on high-value estates. Which makes it completely impossible even with 100% ownership. F. Why would his estate even bother trying to salvage Gabe's vision at this point, when they're left with an illiquid minority stake? A very possible scenario is to sell all shares they possess, in one transaction. The possibility of majority control could inflate the share price dramatically over a piecemeal sale. G. In which case, within 9 months of Gabe's death (IRS deadline), there is a high likelihood there will be an estate auction of all shares to any willing purchaser (highest value per share extracted + tax bill paid). And that purchaser will then have immediate intent to cash in. H. Betting on Steam then, promoting them as better than other companies, is completely dependent on Gabe's actuarial tables. Not to be harsh but just honest, considering Gabe's decades of obesity before getting to a healthier place now, they're probably worse than average, as long-term obesity has persistent irrevocable effects. (This sounds harsh, but actuarial analysis is directly used in insurance and estate planning; you can be assured every major company's CEO has been assessed.)
- nosrepa 1y ago
  A. Well, he does own a fleet of yachts.
  - eru 1y ago
    Yachts are a hole in the water that you throw money into. Ie they are more of a consumption than an investment.
- terribleperson 1y ago
  Just speaking from things we can see, he owns yachts, a yacht building company, and a racing team. He also quite likely has a large investment portfolio like every other billionaire on the planet.
  - gjsman-1000 1y ago
    Let's say all those things added up to even $2B, as a hypothetical. That means there's a $800M tax bill to keep those assets. If the estate has already lost majority control of Steam regardless; there's no real reason to not hand over even more of Steam, to keep hold of those other assets.
    - eru 1y ago
      Why would the estate have lost majority control of Steam regardless?
- ryandrake 1y ago
  I’d have to assume that a man of his wealth has an army of accountants and attorneys working for him and they have his assets sufficiently shielded from taxes through webs of trusts, shell companies, charitable foundations and so on.

kjkjadksj 1y ago

Don’t rich people just gift their money and assets to a relative or trust to avoid those inheritance taxes?

gjsman-1000 1y ago
The Federal Gift tax is the same as the inheritance tax - 40% - after the thresholds are maxed out. Trusts also pay the gift tax at the time of the transfer. Trusts grant control, not much in tax exemptions at this scale.
- eru 1y ago
  Do these taxes still apply, even if you use a charitable trust?

eru 1y ago

Obviously, Gabe Newell should move to Singapore or another location without inheritance and estate taxes.