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mindblowing - but still in the uncanny valley. and I guess it's cute that many of the characters live in a world where AI has caused an apocolypse, but is that

mindblowing - but still in the uncanny valley. and I guess it's cute that many of the characters live in a world where AI has caused an apocolypse, but is that really the message they want to lead with?

christophilus 1y ago
To be fair, a lot of movies in theaters have uncanny valleys. A lot of CGI feels that way to me.
- alexpotato 1y ago
  The limits of CGI have gotten so good that if you are noticing the CGI, it's b/c someone skimped on the budget for the particular movie where you saw the uncanny valley. (Of course, excluding the obvious "that guy just knocked down a building!" CGI)
  - jsheard 1y ago
    Yeah that's the thing, with good execution of a plausible effect you don't even realize you're looking at CGI. It's the toupée fallacy. Obligatory Jonas Ussing plug: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ttG90raCNo&list=PLgdTaHO8FLEve_XFiRBEcOSkRdd-Txjne&index=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ttG90raCNo&list=PLgdTaHO8FL...
doawoo 1y ago
> but still in the uncanny valley that and the guitar player behind the singer in the concert example has three arms :)
aitchnyu 1y ago
I watched a few animes which embraced their poor animation and the excellent Dandadan doesnt chase FPS and resolution benchmarks. Wonder if AI video makers will restrain themselves from getting close to the uncanny valley. Dandadan intro and its lack of FPS and sharp lines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4na2opArGY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4na2opArGY
- aspenmayer 1y ago
  Dandadan is as far as you can get from “poor animation” but it definitely has a specific mix of lo-fi aesthetic animated exceedingly well, and they’re using Adobe Animate, aka Flash. Animation doesn’t feel fast if it’s too many FPS or too steady, anyway, ironically and counterintuitively. You can’t do everything on the ones and twos. To your point about Dandadan’s intro, it’s jam packed with references, which is another kind of skill in and of itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sUaK0xahBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sUaK0xahBU Chainsaw Man is in that same vein, and is another Science Saru production. I’m looking forward to seeing what they will do with the Ghost in the Shell franchise next year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_Saru https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_Saru I get what you mean though regarding Dandadan’s animation style; it has a very hand drawn manga vibe, and the detail is minimal yet finely balanced against the overwhelming amount of noise and visuals. It’s like a slapdash superflat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superflat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superflat On a side note, as an anime fan, MBS is doing great work lately. I liked Witch Watch much more than I expected to, and that’s a much better show than the genres involved would lead one to expect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainichi_Broadcasting_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainichi_Broadcasting_System

christophilus 1y ago

To be fair, a lot of movies in theaters have uncanny valleys. A lot of CGI feels that way to me.

alexpotato 1y ago
The limits of CGI have gotten so good that if you are noticing the CGI, it's b/c someone skimped on the budget for the particular movie where you saw the uncanny valley. (Of course, excluding the obvious "that guy just knocked down a building!" CGI)
- jsheard 1y ago
  Yeah that's the thing, with good execution of a plausible effect you don't even realize you're looking at CGI. It's the toupée fallacy. Obligatory Jonas Ussing plug: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ttG90raCNo&list=PLgdTaHO8FLEve_XFiRBEcOSkRdd-Txjne&index=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ttG90raCNo&list=PLgdTaHO8FL...

doawoo 1y ago

> but still in the uncanny valley that and the guitar player behind the singer in the concert example has three arms :)

aitchnyu 1y ago

I watched a few animes which embraced their poor animation and the excellent Dandadan doesnt chase FPS and resolution benchmarks. Wonder if AI video makers will restrain themselves from getting close to the uncanny valley. Dandadan intro and its lack of FPS and sharp lines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4na2opArGY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4na2opArGY

aspenmayer 1y ago
Dandadan is as far as you can get from “poor animation” but it definitely has a specific mix of lo-fi aesthetic animated exceedingly well, and they’re using Adobe Animate, aka Flash. Animation doesn’t feel fast if it’s too many FPS or too steady, anyway, ironically and counterintuitively. You can’t do everything on the ones and twos. To your point about Dandadan’s intro, it’s jam packed with references, which is another kind of skill in and of itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sUaK0xahBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sUaK0xahBU Chainsaw Man is in that same vein, and is another Science Saru production. I’m looking forward to seeing what they will do with the Ghost in the Shell franchise next year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_Saru https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_Saru I get what you mean though regarding Dandadan’s animation style; it has a very hand drawn manga vibe, and the detail is minimal yet finely balanced against the overwhelming amount of noise and visuals. It’s like a slapdash superflat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superflat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superflat On a side note, as an anime fan, MBS is doing great work lately. I liked Witch Watch much more than I expected to, and that’s a much better show than the genres involved would lead one to expect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainichi_Broadcasting_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainichi_Broadcasting_System