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What I want ... not an E-bike, but an E-version of the BMW C1 Critical features: 1. moderate weather protection 2. vastly improved crash protection 3. to

What I want ... not an E-bike, but an E-version of the BMW C1 Critical features: 1. moderate weather protection 2. vastly improved crash protection 3. top speed above 50mph 4. luggage capacity of a small flatbed trailer I acknowledge the utility of e-bikes for many; for me, I prefer my non-e bike when I want to ride my bike, but would love an e-motorycle as an alternative to 80% of my car trips. https://www.theautopian.com/bmws-first-scooter-had-a-ridiculous-roof-and-promised-car-like-safety-and-train-ticket-like-costs/ https://www.theautopian.com/bmws-first-scooter-had-a-ridicul...

a_ba 1y ago
You‘re in luck BMW recently presented their vision CE. https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/experience/stories/urban-mobility/vision-ce.html https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/experience/stories/urban-m...
- PaulDavisThe1st 1y ago
  Sadly, no weather protection and apparently almost zero luggage capacity. But it's a very tiny step in roughly the right direction ...
  - shellfishgene 1y ago
    In the camper image it has a luggage box a sort of roof case.
- dylan604 1y ago
  oh, those concept shots are hysterical. the one with the pink bike and the woman with 3 dogs kills, but the dj setup is where I said "too far" and closed the tab
  - akazantsev 1y ago
    > the dj setup is where I said "too far" and closed the tab Also, it's AI-generated. Zoom in on the right-most guy in the image. Garbage in, garbage out. Embarrassing garbage quality for an official site.
  - watwut 1y ago
    > the one with the pink bike and the woman with 3 dogs kills A was all curious about the "woman with 3 dogs kills", but was disappointed to find the dogs are alive. I just read the sentence wrong.
    - dylan604 1y ago
      the with 3 dogs was just describing the woman, not the target of the kills. it's not Kristi Noem in the image.
abdullahkhalids 1y ago
The weather protection is great for positive temperatures - you can protect yourself from sun and rain. Unfortunately, for those in cold weather, two wheeled vehicles make little sense.
- jodrellblank 1y ago
  NotJustBikes' latest video is titled "I'm so Sick of this Lazy Excuse (for bad cities)" and the lazy excuse is the cold or wet weather. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXDP9WQe0io https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXDP9WQe0io A previous video "How is a bike tunnel this freak'n great" is about urbanism and cycling in Bergen, Norway and has repeated digs at people who say you can't have good cycling infrastructure unless it's sunny and tropical. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCedclz03uI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCedclz03uI And a previous video "Why Canadians can't bike in the winter (but Finnish people can)" about the city of Oulo, Finland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU And a previous video about Oslo, Norway, "The next great cycling city" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmp09Fd07oc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmp09Fd07oc He used to work in tech, I think in ATI chip design consulting, and spent time lived in Sunnyville, California, where it was always room temperature and sunny outside - the best weather anyone could ask for - and everyone still drove everywhere all the time. He travelled short and long stay consulting visits all over the world for years, in Toronto, Sunnyville, Oxford, London, Belgium, Germany, The Netherlands, Taiwan, China, and it's those experiences which gave rise to his opinions about cities and that YouTube channel
  - PaulDavisThe1st 1y ago
    So, while I broadly share most of NotJustBike's views on the world, this particular context is different. I was asking for an electric motorcycle with a top speed of at least 50mph, intended to be used over the sort of distances that people would not use an e-bike or a bicycle for (in my case, like the 25mile/40km journey from my home into the nearest city). I do actually ride my bike to/from the city sometimes, and probably the coldest I've ever been cycling (and I ride a lot) was on a winter morning doing this, when I underestimated the depth of the cold without direct sunshine. Moving at powered speed, with little to zero effort, is extremely chilling (potentially even life-threatening). So yes ... yes to better cycling infrastructure even inside cities with challenging winter conditions, but also yes to recognizing that not all two-wheeled transport fits that particular description.
shellfishgene 1y ago
And 5. no helmet necessary! They actually did make a concept version of this, the C1-E: https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/tv-footage/detail/PF0002823/bmw-motorrad-concept-c1-e/3 https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/tv-footage/detail/PF00...

a_ba 1y ago

You‘re in luck BMW recently presented their vision CE. https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/experience/stories/urban-mobility/vision-ce.html https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/experience/stories/urban-m...

PaulDavisThe1st 1y ago
Sadly, no weather protection and apparently almost zero luggage capacity. But it's a very tiny step in roughly the right direction ...
- shellfishgene 1y ago
  In the camper image it has a luggage box a sort of roof case.
dylan604 1y ago
oh, those concept shots are hysterical. the one with the pink bike and the woman with 3 dogs kills, but the dj setup is where I said "too far" and closed the tab
- akazantsev 1y ago
  > the dj setup is where I said "too far" and closed the tab Also, it's AI-generated. Zoom in on the right-most guy in the image. Garbage in, garbage out. Embarrassing garbage quality for an official site.
- watwut 1y ago
  > the one with the pink bike and the woman with 3 dogs kills A was all curious about the "woman with 3 dogs kills", but was disappointed to find the dogs are alive. I just read the sentence wrong.
  - dylan604 1y ago
    the with 3 dogs was just describing the woman, not the target of the kills. it's not Kristi Noem in the image.

abdullahkhalids 1y ago

The weather protection is great for positive temperatures - you can protect yourself from sun and rain. Unfortunately, for those in cold weather, two wheeled vehicles make little sense.

jodrellblank 1y ago
NotJustBikes' latest video is titled "I'm so Sick of this Lazy Excuse (for bad cities)" and the lazy excuse is the cold or wet weather. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXDP9WQe0io https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXDP9WQe0io A previous video "How is a bike tunnel this freak'n great" is about urbanism and cycling in Bergen, Norway and has repeated digs at people who say you can't have good cycling infrastructure unless it's sunny and tropical. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCedclz03uI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCedclz03uI And a previous video "Why Canadians can't bike in the winter (but Finnish people can)" about the city of Oulo, Finland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU And a previous video about Oslo, Norway, "The next great cycling city" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmp09Fd07oc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmp09Fd07oc He used to work in tech, I think in ATI chip design consulting, and spent time lived in Sunnyville, California, where it was always room temperature and sunny outside - the best weather anyone could ask for - and everyone still drove everywhere all the time. He travelled short and long stay consulting visits all over the world for years, in Toronto, Sunnyville, Oxford, London, Belgium, Germany, The Netherlands, Taiwan, China, and it's those experiences which gave rise to his opinions about cities and that YouTube channel
- PaulDavisThe1st 1y ago
  So, while I broadly share most of NotJustBike's views on the world, this particular context is different. I was asking for an electric motorcycle with a top speed of at least 50mph, intended to be used over the sort of distances that people would not use an e-bike or a bicycle for (in my case, like the 25mile/40km journey from my home into the nearest city). I do actually ride my bike to/from the city sometimes, and probably the coldest I've ever been cycling (and I ride a lot) was on a winter morning doing this, when I underestimated the depth of the cold without direct sunshine. Moving at powered speed, with little to zero effort, is extremely chilling (potentially even life-threatening). So yes ... yes to better cycling infrastructure even inside cities with challenging winter conditions, but also yes to recognizing that not all two-wheeled transport fits that particular description.

shellfishgene 1y ago

And 5. no helmet necessary! They actually did make a concept version of this, the C1-E: https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/tv-footage/detail/PF0002823/bmw-motorrad-concept-c1-e/3 https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/tv-footage/detail/PF00...