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Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ambCqcFuexk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ambCqcFuexk Also, why didn't they install SteamOS directly? https://help.st

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ambCqcFuexk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ambCqcFuexk Also, why didn't they install SteamOS directly? https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/65B4-2AA3-5F37-4227 https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/65B4-2AA3-5F37-42...

mulmen 1y ago
Not sure what the specific benefits of SteamOS are. It’s forked from Arch, I don’t know what Valve changes. Maybe slightly better hardware support for Steam Deck? I run Steam on Fedora on my desktop and have no issues.
- Fergusonb 1y ago
  There's very good steam integration, a controller first UI, it's very performant, sleep works better, fantastic performance monitoring and settings. I love it, but there's probably not a whole bunch of reason to run it on things in other form factors.
  - mynameisvlad 1y ago
    Pretty sure Bazzite offers all those things as well.
    - Yokolos 1y ago
      It does. It provides everything SteamOS does. So if SteamOS doesn't support the Xbox Ally X, why install SteamOS?
- d3Xt3r 1y ago
  I don't run SteamOS but I run Bazzite on my desktop, the main advantage of running these immutable gaming distros is to have a fuss-free gaming experience - my PC boots straight to Steam, and I never ever have to worry about OS updates or other maintenance tasks. Basically I get to enjoy a console-like gaming experience. I work as a sysadmin during the day, fixing PCs and stuff, and I really don't want to continue doing that after I get home - I just want to pick up my controller, put my feet up and get straight to gaming without having to worry about updates and other PC annoyances. The best part is, if on the rate ocassion an update breaks something,I can easily boot straight to the previous image from the boot menu, without needing to run any commands or do anything special post-boot. And with Bazzite (and other uBlue distros), I can go back upto 90 days worth of images (3 previous local images + older images pulled from the cloud). I can also pin a known "good" image so it'll always be available in the boot menu. Essentially I get a rock solid unbreakable system, which is great because after a hard day's work, I really don't have the patience to deal with any PC issues at home.
  - mulmen 1y ago
    Yeah that does sound nice. It really is the best possible experience if all you want is to play games. I should have clarified that I meant the performance benefit of SteamOS over Bazzite specifically.
- Gigachad 1y ago
  SteamOS is very different from Arch. There’s almost too much to list here. But it uses an image based read only OS, a fully custom wayland desktop environment/compositor, does not have pakman, software is distributed either through steam or flatpak, OS image updates have their own mechanism. And a whole lot of preinstalled drivers and software for things like controller support which typically don’t come out of the box on Linux distros. The whole OS is made for controllers, no need for a mouse/kb for anything.
Benanov 1y ago
AIUI (I don't have any of this hardware) SteamOS is really meant for the Steam Deck; while there's "basic support" for the ROG Ally, it's not their focus. Bazzite seems to be quite happy to support everything, and AIUI it's frighteningly close to SteamOS (the same customizations, etc.) It's not "we have SteamOS at home" - it's more like RedHat vs CentOS
- pavon 1y ago
  This is changing. Valve is actively working with hardware manufacturers to get SteamOS on a number of systems other than the Steam Deck. You can buy a Lenovo Legion Go S with SteamOS today[1], and Valve will be supporting SteamOS on the Asus ROG Ally in the future[2], whether Asus partners with them or not. [1]https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/handheld/legion-go-s/len106g0002#models https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/handheld/legion-go-s/len106g0... [2]https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/13/24219469/valve-steamos-asus-rog-ally-steady-progress-dual-boot https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/13/24219469/valve-steamos-as...
__aru 1y ago
because official SteamOS doesn't support the Xbox Ally X yet. It's safe to assume that official SteamOS will eventually support the Xbox Ally X, but it's not there yet. Valve moves slowly to add support for more devices, etc, whereas the Bazzite devs can move faster. e.g. Bazzite does a weekly release of a stable OS candidate, whereas Valve often takes months, if not up to a year, for to release a stable-channel OS update. Edit: Also, Valve tends to wait for proper kernel interfaces for functionality like controlling TDP, RGB, fans, etc. Whereas Bazzite devs are fine with using tools in userspace to directly talk to hardware, etc. While I do think Valve's approach is better for long-term maintainability, Bazzite will always have the speed advantage because it can hack together a solution via userspace applications.

mulmen 1y ago

Not sure what the specific benefits of SteamOS are. It’s forked from Arch, I don’t know what Valve changes. Maybe slightly better hardware support for Steam Deck? I run Steam on Fedora on my desktop and have no issues.

Fergusonb 1y ago
There's very good steam integration, a controller first UI, it's very performant, sleep works better, fantastic performance monitoring and settings. I love it, but there's probably not a whole bunch of reason to run it on things in other form factors.
- mynameisvlad 1y ago
  Pretty sure Bazzite offers all those things as well.
  - Yokolos 1y ago
    It does. It provides everything SteamOS does. So if SteamOS doesn't support the Xbox Ally X, why install SteamOS?
d3Xt3r 1y ago
I don't run SteamOS but I run Bazzite on my desktop, the main advantage of running these immutable gaming distros is to have a fuss-free gaming experience - my PC boots straight to Steam, and I never ever have to worry about OS updates or other maintenance tasks. Basically I get to enjoy a console-like gaming experience. I work as a sysadmin during the day, fixing PCs and stuff, and I really don't want to continue doing that after I get home - I just want to pick up my controller, put my feet up and get straight to gaming without having to worry about updates and other PC annoyances. The best part is, if on the rate ocassion an update breaks something,I can easily boot straight to the previous image from the boot menu, without needing to run any commands or do anything special post-boot. And with Bazzite (and other uBlue distros), I can go back upto 90 days worth of images (3 previous local images + older images pulled from the cloud). I can also pin a known "good" image so it'll always be available in the boot menu. Essentially I get a rock solid unbreakable system, which is great because after a hard day's work, I really don't have the patience to deal with any PC issues at home.
- mulmen 1y ago
  Yeah that does sound nice. It really is the best possible experience if all you want is to play games. I should have clarified that I meant the performance benefit of SteamOS over Bazzite specifically.
Gigachad 1y ago
SteamOS is very different from Arch. There’s almost too much to list here. But it uses an image based read only OS, a fully custom wayland desktop environment/compositor, does not have pakman, software is distributed either through steam or flatpak, OS image updates have their own mechanism. And a whole lot of preinstalled drivers and software for things like controller support which typically don’t come out of the box on Linux distros. The whole OS is made for controllers, no need for a mouse/kb for anything.

Benanov 1y ago

AIUI (I don't have any of this hardware) SteamOS is really meant for the Steam Deck; while there's "basic support" for the ROG Ally, it's not their focus. Bazzite seems to be quite happy to support everything, and AIUI it's frighteningly close to SteamOS (the same customizations, etc.) It's not "we have SteamOS at home" - it's more like RedHat vs CentOS

pavon 1y ago
This is changing. Valve is actively working with hardware manufacturers to get SteamOS on a number of systems other than the Steam Deck. You can buy a Lenovo Legion Go S with SteamOS today[1], and Valve will be supporting SteamOS on the Asus ROG Ally in the future[2], whether Asus partners with them or not. [1]https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/handheld/legion-go-s/len106g0002#models https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/handheld/legion-go-s/len106g0... [2]https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/13/24219469/valve-steamos-asus-rog-ally-steady-progress-dual-boot https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/13/24219469/valve-steamos-as...

__aru 1y ago

because official SteamOS doesn't support the Xbox Ally X yet. It's safe to assume that official SteamOS will eventually support the Xbox Ally X, but it's not there yet. Valve moves slowly to add support for more devices, etc, whereas the Bazzite devs can move faster. e.g. Bazzite does a weekly release of a stable OS candidate, whereas Valve often takes months, if not up to a year, for to release a stable-channel OS update. Edit: Also, Valve tends to wait for proper kernel interfaces for functionality like controlling TDP, RGB, fans, etc. Whereas Bazzite devs are fine with using tools in userspace to directly talk to hardware, etc. While I do think Valve's approach is better for long-term maintainability, Bazzite will always have the speed advantage because it can hack together a solution via userspace applications.