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I had not heard that. What chemical weapons are they using? As for "they are at war, what do you mean 'escalations'" I'm referring to western countries, includ

by mikece 1y ago

I had not heard that. What chemical weapons are they using? As for "they are at war, what do you mean 'escalations'" I'm referring to western countries, including the US, giving Ukraine the ability to make deep strikes into Russia that could provoke Russia in declaring officially what has been the de facto case for a while: it's not fighting Ukraine, it's fighting NATO and NATO is striking through the Ukrainians but Russia has not yet struck back at NATO. Forgive me for hoping that we might be able to find peace and avoid the deaths of hundreds of millions of people by not ratcheting things up in Ukraine more than it already is.

lysace 1y ago
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2025/05/20/chemical-weapons-eu-sanctions-three-entities-in-the-russian-armed-forces-over-use-of-chemical-weapons-in-ukraine/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2025... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Use_during_the_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_des... The "peace" word in this context is not really what it seems like. The "peace" movement in our countries is often of full of at least former Soviet and Russian funding. Essentially tankies. I think you can imagine their goals.
- mikece 1y ago
  I'm a US military veteran and nobody is paying me to speak one way or another about any of this. I just see the minimization and avoidance of war as preferrable to bullets flying and people dying. Yes, that is happening now in a limited context (Ukraine and Russia) but and I hope that comes to an end before it spills over to a full and formal NATO vs. Russia (and China?) engagement.
  - mopsi 1y ago
    One-sided avoidance of war can be counterproductive and make everything worse. Hundreds of thousands of people have died in Ukraine since 2022 because the response to the initial invasion in 2014 focused too much on avoiding confrontation, which was taken as a sign of weakness to exploit. Up until the day of the invasion in February 2022, something as simple as deploying US airborne forces to Kyiv for exercises could have prevented the war. Biden chose to avoid confrontation, and here we are now, in the fourth year of the war.
  - fifilura 1y ago
    What we are handling now is the snowball started by GWB with the Iraq invasion. He basically said that it is fine for superpowers to invade countries with non preferable leaders. (Unless they have nuclear weapons) The difference in sentiment is basically whether the snowball is too big to stop, or if this is our last chance to stop it.
lawn 1y ago
You are what is commonly known as "a useful idiot". You're naive and you're helping Russia kill more innocent people every day.
- mikece 1y ago
  I'll ignore the first point but I have to concede that I'm helping Ukraine kill Russians by virtue of paying taxes to the US Govt which has been supplying billions of dollars of weapons to use against Russians in the war. My concern is that we're going to get paid back in kind with interest and am a little surprised it hasn't happened yet... and am hopeful it can be avoided.

by mikece 1y ago

lysace 1y ago

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2025/05/20/chemical-weapons-eu-sanctions-three-entities-in-the-russian-armed-forces-over-use-of-chemical-weapons-in-ukraine/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2025... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Use_during_the_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_des... The "peace" word in this context is not really what it seems like. The "peace" movement in our countries is often of full of at least former Soviet and Russian funding. Essentially tankies. I think you can imagine their goals.

mikece 1y ago
I'm a US military veteran and nobody is paying me to speak one way or another about any of this. I just see the minimization and avoidance of war as preferrable to bullets flying and people dying. Yes, that is happening now in a limited context (Ukraine and Russia) but and I hope that comes to an end before it spills over to a full and formal NATO vs. Russia (and China?) engagement.
- mopsi 1y ago
  One-sided avoidance of war can be counterproductive and make everything worse. Hundreds of thousands of people have died in Ukraine since 2022 because the response to the initial invasion in 2014 focused too much on avoiding confrontation, which was taken as a sign of weakness to exploit. Up until the day of the invasion in February 2022, something as simple as deploying US airborne forces to Kyiv for exercises could have prevented the war. Biden chose to avoid confrontation, and here we are now, in the fourth year of the war.
- fifilura 1y ago
  What we are handling now is the snowball started by GWB with the Iraq invasion. He basically said that it is fine for superpowers to invade countries with non preferable leaders. (Unless they have nuclear weapons) The difference in sentiment is basically whether the snowball is too big to stop, or if this is our last chance to stop it.

lawn 1y ago

You are what is commonly known as "a useful idiot". You're naive and you're helping Russia kill more innocent people every day.

mikece 1y ago
I'll ignore the first point but I have to concede that I'm helping Ukraine kill Russians by virtue of paying taxes to the US Govt which has been supplying billions of dollars of weapons to use against Russians in the war. My concern is that we're going to get paid back in kind with interest and am a little surprised it hasn't happened yet... and am hopeful it can be avoided.