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Sadly, the only people who would be surprised reading a statement like this would be anyone who is not ex-fb/meta

LPisGood 1y ago
Maybe I’m not understanding, but why is that wild? Is it just the fact that those people lost jobs? If it were a justification for a re-org I wouldn’t find it objectionable at all
- Herring 1y ago
  It damages trust. Layoffs are nearly always bad for a company, but are terrible in a research environment. You want people who will geek out over math/code all day, and being afraid for your job (for reasons outside your control!) is very counterproductive. This is why tenure was invented.
  - StackRanker3000 1y ago
    But that doesn’t explain why this particular justification is especially ”wild”, does it?
    - Herring 1y ago
      You watch too much game of thrones.
  - signatoremo 1y ago
    Most of them are expected to find another job within Meta
- aplusbi 1y ago
  Perhaps I'm being uncharitable but this line "each person will be more load-bearing" reads to me as "each person will be expected to do more work for the same pay".
  - 0cf8612b2e1e 1y ago
    We’re not talking about an overworked nurse. Same Facebook-AI-researcher-pay is likely an eye watering amount of money
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
    - Herring 1y ago
      ^ American crab mentality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
      - 0cf8612b2e1e 1y ago
        Layoffs are everywhere. Millions of employees have had to do more without any change in compensation. My own team has decreased from six to two, but I am not seeing any increased pay for being more load bearing. I will always pour one out for the fellow wage slave (more for the people who suddenly lost a job), but I am admittedly a bit less sympathetic to those with in demand skills receiving top tier compensation. More for the teachers, nurses, DOGEd FDA employees, whatever who was only ever taking in a more modest wage, but is continually expected to do more with less. Management cutting headcount and making the drones work harder is not a unique story to Facebook.
    - overfeed 1y ago
      > We’re not talking about an overworked nurse. We're talking about overworked AI engineers and researchers who've been berated for management failures and told they need to do 5x more (before today). The money isn't just handed out for slacking, it's in exchange for an eye-watering amount of work, and now more is expected of them.
      - dajtxx 1y ago
        Still not feeling any sympathy. These people are actively working to make society worse.

Maybe I’m not understanding, but why is that wild? Is it just the fact that those people lost jobs? If it were a justification for a re-org I wouldn’t find it objectionable at all

Herring 1y ago
It damages trust. Layoffs are nearly always bad for a company, but are terrible in a research environment. You want people who will geek out over math/code all day, and being afraid for your job (for reasons outside your control!) is very counterproductive. This is why tenure was invented.
- StackRanker3000 1y ago
  But that doesn’t explain why this particular justification is especially ”wild”, does it?
  - Herring 1y ago
    You watch too much game of thrones.
- signatoremo 1y ago
  Most of them are expected to find another job within Meta
aplusbi 1y ago
Perhaps I'm being uncharitable but this line "each person will be more load-bearing" reads to me as "each person will be expected to do more work for the same pay".
- 0cf8612b2e1e 1y ago
  We’re not talking about an overworked nurse. Same Facebook-AI-researcher-pay is likely an eye watering amount of money
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
  - Herring 1y ago
    ^ American crab mentality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
    - 0cf8612b2e1e 1y ago
      Layoffs are everywhere. Millions of employees have had to do more without any change in compensation. My own team has decreased from six to two, but I am not seeing any increased pay for being more load bearing. I will always pour one out for the fellow wage slave (more for the people who suddenly lost a job), but I am admittedly a bit less sympathetic to those with in demand skills receiving top tier compensation. More for the teachers, nurses, DOGEd FDA employees, whatever who was only ever taking in a more modest wage, but is continually expected to do more with less. Management cutting headcount and making the drones work harder is not a unique story to Facebook.
  - overfeed 1y ago
    > We’re not talking about an overworked nurse. We're talking about overworked AI engineers and researchers who've been berated for management failures and told they need to do 5x more (before today). The money isn't just handed out for slacking, it's in exchange for an eye-watering amount of work, and now more is expected of them.
    - dajtxx 1y ago
      Still not feeling any sympathy. These people are actively working to make society worse.