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No, this wrong. The law says that by default you can't process personal data, unless the user gave consent. That setting matched both the expectation of users a

No, this wrong. The law says that by default you can't process personal data, unless the user gave consent. That setting matched both the expectation of users and the default as specified by the law. The story that advertisers don't know what users selected and that somehow allows them to track the user is disingenous.

rcxdude 1y ago
It doesn't allow them to track, but it does allow them to more convincingly argue that they can nag them about it (I think some regulators in some EU countries have rejected this, but I don't think this is universal). i.e. it makes it ineffective as a means of stopping the annoying pop-ups. Because the companies are basically belligerent about it there needs to be a clear declaration of 'if this header is set you may not track _and_ you may not bug the user about it'
- charcircuit 1y ago
  How are they supposed to ask for consent then?
  - rcxdude 1y ago
    If the user has already indicated that they don't consent by setting the header, you don't ask. If they want to change, make it available as a setting. (and frankly, the number of users that actively want to consent to this is essentially zero)
    - charcircuit 1y ago
      What if the user doesn't know they have that setting enabled. Or they enabled it to block some other company than your own. I always constent to cookie popups so the number can not be 0.
      - rcxdude 1y ago
        Hence why I think the default hurt the initiative. And the header could be set on a per-domain basis, if you wanted that for some reason. I'm curious, why do you consent on such pop-ups?
        speleding 1y ago
        I always consent as well. They can show much more relevant ads when you consent to cookies. If I block cookies I get generic ads about stuff I don't care about.
        rcxdude 1y ago
        Ah, I can't think of any level of relevance that would make me want to see ads, and in areas where I do want to see something, like recommendation systems, I've found that they are better when they are only based on the content I am currently looking at as opposed to based on some profile based on my whole history.
        speleding 1y ago
        The popup never lets you choose to see fewer ads. It's a common misconception by lay people that you will see fewer ads if you block cookies, but that's not happening of course. So you may as well get relevant ones.
        matheusmoreira 1y ago
        > It's a common misconception by lay people that you will see fewer ads if you block cookies, but that's not happening of course. It absolutely will happen if you install uBlock Origin.
        account42 1y ago
        So essentially you prefer the psychological manipulation inflicted on you to be more effective? Yeah, that's not a good idea bro.

rcxdude 1y ago

It doesn't allow them to track, but it does allow them to more convincingly argue that they can nag them about it (I think some regulators in some EU countries have rejected this, but I don't think this is universal). i.e. it makes it ineffective as a means of stopping the annoying pop-ups. Because the companies are basically belligerent about it there needs to be a clear declaration of 'if this header is set you may not track _and_ you may not bug the user about it'

charcircuit 1y ago
How are they supposed to ask for consent then?
- rcxdude 1y ago
  If the user has already indicated that they don't consent by setting the header, you don't ask. If they want to change, make it available as a setting. (and frankly, the number of users that actively want to consent to this is essentially zero)
  - charcircuit 1y ago
    What if the user doesn't know they have that setting enabled. Or they enabled it to block some other company than your own. I always constent to cookie popups so the number can not be 0.
    - rcxdude 1y ago
      Hence why I think the default hurt the initiative. And the header could be set on a per-domain basis, if you wanted that for some reason. I'm curious, why do you consent on such pop-ups?
      - speleding 1y ago
        I always consent as well. They can show much more relevant ads when you consent to cookies. If I block cookies I get generic ads about stuff I don't care about.
        rcxdude 1y ago
        Ah, I can't think of any level of relevance that would make me want to see ads, and in areas where I do want to see something, like recommendation systems, I've found that they are better when they are only based on the content I am currently looking at as opposed to based on some profile based on my whole history.
        speleding 1y ago
        The popup never lets you choose to see fewer ads. It's a common misconception by lay people that you will see fewer ads if you block cookies, but that's not happening of course. So you may as well get relevant ones.
        matheusmoreira 1y ago
        > It's a common misconception by lay people that you will see fewer ads if you block cookies, but that's not happening of course. It absolutely will happen if you install uBlock Origin.
        account42 1y ago
        So essentially you prefer the psychological manipulation inflicted on you to be more effective? Yeah, that's not a good idea bro.