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Dassault (major newspaper owner) Is that like Lockheed Martin owning a major newspaper or GE owning a TV network?

by adolph 1y ago

vkou 1y ago
Or SpaceX owning Twitter, or the president owning Truth Social?
- votepaunchy 1y ago
  Or Amazon owning the Washington Post.
  - nailer 1y ago
    Or journalists everywhere shaping stories to their own biases.
    - alessandru 1y ago
      almost like ... journalistic integrity and ... maybe less monopoly ... are good things
    - stefs 1y ago
      that is not the same.
      - nailer 1y ago
        Sure they are. They’re both just people using whatever power they have to shape the narrative.
        stefs 1y ago
        on the one hand you have the owner dictating his political bias to all his employees/journalists. on the other hand you have a person/journalist interpreting reality through their own political bias. what's the difference? in the first case the medium would only report biased in one direction, in the second case it'd report roughly split around the percentages of the (journalistic) population, e.g. 60% this, 40% that.
  - dreamcompiler 1y ago
    Amazon doesn't own the Washington Post. Jeff Bezos does. I'm not sure if this makes the situation worse or better.
alephnerd 1y ago
> GE owning a TV network Ever watched any NBC IP in the 2000s and early 2010s?
- adolph 1y ago
  > > GE owning a TV network > Ever watched any NBC IP in the 2000s and early 2010s? Sure, recalling 30Rock's continual references to it brought it to mind as a relatively politically neutral US equivalent. Granting the limits of my TV consumption, NBC's IP never evoked thoughts of purchasing a nuclear sub or jet engine.
kakwa_ 1y ago
It's actually kind of worse. Because you get a mix of Dassault (the company)'s agenda (defense spending, pro-industry) and a push for the fairly conservative views of the Marcel Bloch/Dassault descendants themselves. To be fair, le Figaro was The French conservative newspaper long before the Dassault's ownership (like +100 years prior), so it's more a case of "Le Figaro has a more comfortable budget to push its views". The closest I can think of in the US context is Bezos owning the Washington Post to both push his personal views and Amazon's interests. Or maybe lately, Larry Ellison's take over of Paramount/CBS (but it feels more like he is buying a toy for his son).
- DFHippie 1y ago
  > Or maybe lately, Larry Ellison's take over of Paramount/CBS (but it feels more like he is buying a toy for his son). If it were just a toy for his son these things wouldn't have happened - Stephen Colbert canned - Bari Weiss hired to head the news division - $32 million settlement for an easily winnable lawsuit I've probably missed some. Ellison is a huge Trump supporter and is clearly reshaping CBS to at least go easy on Trump, if not to make it yet another right wing propaganda outlet.
  - mjd 1y ago
    $32 million settlement for a lawsuit *they had already won*. They were supposedly “settling” with Trump so that he wouldn't refile it. It was a straight-up bribe.
- yujzgzc 1y ago
  Or Musk, who heads a few businesses that directly benefit from government contracts, including some in the defense sector, owning one of the largest online media platforms (fka Twitter).

Dassault (major newspaper owner) Is that like Lockheed Martin owning a major newspaper or GE owning a TV network?

by adolph 1y ago

Dassault (major newspaper owner) Is that like Lockheed Martin owning a major newspaper or GE owning a TV network?

vkou 1y ago

Or SpaceX owning Twitter, or the president owning Truth Social?

votepaunchy 1y ago
Or Amazon owning the Washington Post.
- nailer 1y ago
  Or journalists everywhere shaping stories to their own biases.
  - alessandru 1y ago
    almost like ... journalistic integrity and ... maybe less monopoly ... are good things
  - stefs 1y ago
    that is not the same.
    - nailer 1y ago
      Sure they are. They’re both just people using whatever power they have to shape the narrative.
      - stefs 1y ago
        on the one hand you have the owner dictating his political bias to all his employees/journalists. on the other hand you have a person/journalist interpreting reality through their own political bias. what's the difference? in the first case the medium would only report biased in one direction, in the second case it'd report roughly split around the percentages of the (journalistic) population, e.g. 60% this, 40% that.
- dreamcompiler 1y ago
  Amazon doesn't own the Washington Post. Jeff Bezos does. I'm not sure if this makes the situation worse or better.

alephnerd 1y ago

> GE owning a TV network Ever watched any NBC IP in the 2000s and early 2010s?

adolph 1y ago
> > GE owning a TV network > Ever watched any NBC IP in the 2000s and early 2010s? Sure, recalling 30Rock's continual references to it brought it to mind as a relatively politically neutral US equivalent. Granting the limits of my TV consumption, NBC's IP never evoked thoughts of purchasing a nuclear sub or jet engine.

kakwa_ 1y ago

It's actually kind of worse. Because you get a mix of Dassault (the company)'s agenda (defense spending, pro-industry) and a push for the fairly conservative views of the Marcel Bloch/Dassault descendants themselves. To be fair, le Figaro was The French conservative newspaper long before the Dassault's ownership (like +100 years prior), so it's more a case of "Le Figaro has a more comfortable budget to push its views". The closest I can think of in the US context is Bezos owning the Washington Post to both push his personal views and Amazon's interests. Or maybe lately, Larry Ellison's take over of Paramount/CBS (but it feels more like he is buying a toy for his son).

DFHippie 1y ago
> Or maybe lately, Larry Ellison's take over of Paramount/CBS (but it feels more like he is buying a toy for his son). If it were just a toy for his son these things wouldn't have happened - Stephen Colbert canned - Bari Weiss hired to head the news division - $32 million settlement for an easily winnable lawsuit I've probably missed some. Ellison is a huge Trump supporter and is clearly reshaping CBS to at least go easy on Trump, if not to make it yet another right wing propaganda outlet.
- mjd 1y ago
  $32 million settlement for a lawsuit *they had already won*. They were supposedly “settling” with Trump so that he wouldn't refile it. It was a straight-up bribe.
yujzgzc 1y ago
Or Musk, who heads a few businesses that directly benefit from government contracts, including some in the defense sector, owning one of the largest online media platforms (fka Twitter).