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> Oh, so this is an actual recall and not just a software update. In an era of software-defined vehicles, the difference is one of convenience, not impact/cons

> Oh, so this is an actual recall and not just a software update. In an era of software-defined vehicles, the difference is one of convenience, not impact/consequence. Not really worth pointing out, unless you're a service department telling owners how to plan their week.

nilkn 1y ago
To the contrary, the fact that this is a physical recall is perhaps the most interesting and noteworthy thing about it.
- pengaru 1y ago
  Are you hodling TSLA and concerned about the costs? I could see that being interesting...
  - nilkn 1y ago
    No, but we own one of their vehicles and in years have never experienced a recall that involved physically recalling the vehicle. This one doesn't apply to us, but if it did, that alone would immediately make it stand out compared to every other recall we've experienced with the product (which have never had any effect on us whatsoever).
AlexandrB 1y ago
> software-defined vehicles I threw up in my mouth a little upon reading this phrase. Dark times.
Rover222 1y ago
That’s nonsensical, IMO. Software updates should not be considered recalls at all. Unless it’s a critical safety issue that makes the vehicle unusable.
- Reason077 1y ago
  That's exactly what recalls are: important safety issues that need to be fixed, regardless of whether the fix involves hardware or software. Past Tesla recalls addressed by OTA updates include fixes for braking, steering, headlights, tire pressure monitoring, collision avoidance, etc... https://www.cars.com/research/tesla/recalls/ https://www.cars.com/research/tesla/recalls/
  - Rover222 1y ago
    fair point
- FireBeyond 1y ago
  Awesome. Let's do that, right after we stop calling "place this sticker, which contains a warning about materials in the seatbelt tensioner system, on page 234 of your owner's manual" a recall, too. The whining about this is old.
Sohcahtoa82 1y ago
The thing is, to most people, "recall" is a strong word that carries major implications. Yeah, sure, you might be smart enough to understand that the word has a legal definition, and sometimes a recall is an absolute nothingburger. For example, Tesla once had to do a recall because some warning icons on the screen were legally deemed to be a couple pixels too small. Yet, when news outlets announce "Tesla recalls every Model 3 ever made", it's TECHNICALLY true, but will be highly misleading to the general population who now thinks every Model 3 has to be returned. EDIT: Also, FWIW, even when a recall DOES require a physical change of the car, Tesla's mobile service can often come to you to do it. You don't need to take it to a service center.

nilkn 1y ago

To the contrary, the fact that this is a physical recall is perhaps the most interesting and noteworthy thing about it.

pengaru 1y ago
Are you hodling TSLA and concerned about the costs? I could see that being interesting...
- nilkn 1y ago
  No, but we own one of their vehicles and in years have never experienced a recall that involved physically recalling the vehicle. This one doesn't apply to us, but if it did, that alone would immediately make it stand out compared to every other recall we've experienced with the product (which have never had any effect on us whatsoever).

AlexandrB 1y ago

> software-defined vehicles I threw up in my mouth a little upon reading this phrase. Dark times.

Rover222 1y ago

That’s nonsensical, IMO. Software updates should not be considered recalls at all. Unless it’s a critical safety issue that makes the vehicle unusable.

Reason077 1y ago
That's exactly what recalls are: important safety issues that need to be fixed, regardless of whether the fix involves hardware or software. Past Tesla recalls addressed by OTA updates include fixes for braking, steering, headlights, tire pressure monitoring, collision avoidance, etc... https://www.cars.com/research/tesla/recalls/ https://www.cars.com/research/tesla/recalls/
- Rover222 1y ago
  fair point
FireBeyond 1y ago
Awesome. Let's do that, right after we stop calling "place this sticker, which contains a warning about materials in the seatbelt tensioner system, on page 234 of your owner's manual" a recall, too. The whining about this is old.

Sohcahtoa82 1y ago

The thing is, to most people, "recall" is a strong word that carries major implications. Yeah, sure, you might be smart enough to understand that the word has a legal definition, and sometimes a recall is an absolute nothingburger. For example, Tesla once had to do a recall because some warning icons on the screen were legally deemed to be a couple pixels too small. Yet, when news outlets announce "Tesla recalls every Model 3 ever made", it's TECHNICALLY true, but will be highly misleading to the general population who now thinks every Model 3 has to be returned. EDIT: Also, FWIW, even when a recall DOES require a physical change of the car, Tesla's mobile service can often come to you to do it. You don't need to take it to a service center.