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> We certainly need a more P2P, version of this type of platform and a way to fund and scale it such that it can’t be messed with by billionaire hacks. We alre

> We certainly need a more P2P, version of this type of platform and a way to fund and scale it such that it can’t be messed with by billionaire hacks. We already have that. Selfhosting is possible, and today even simpler than ever. And there is a multitude of systems and platforms which one can use to collect money as long as it's not doing something too critical, like porn or terrorism. Influencers have those field already covered well, and will continue building them to avoid the hefty shares on their usual platforms.

apgwoz 1y ago
Patreon, Substack, etc have benefits in discovery. Self hosting requires that you figure out how to get discovered. That’s the main problem here.
- slightwinder 1y ago
  That's a different problem, and won't be solved by any P2P-platform. There are more than enough ways for discovering selfhosted content, people just don't use it.
  - apgwoz 1y ago
    > people just don't use it. … which means it’s a problem.
    - slightwinder 1y ago
      No, not really. You want to change the world, but bring up a technical solution, when it's a social situation. If you want to strengthen indymedia, then work on the social level, not technology. Reinventing the same thing again, will not change anything.
      - apgwoz 1y ago
        You’re not wrong to bring up the social level, but you also have to combat the technological level as well. The systems that already exist don’t work not just because of social reasons. Mastodon/ActivityPub was gaining decent traction, despite its usability problems … and then the more usable, better funded BlueSky stepped in. There are lots of options for running your own Mastodon/ ActivityPub implementation, etc—it’s not easy, though. This is purely a technical problem. Of course, I am not really talking about Chirp clones here, but this is a pretty good analogue for comparison.

apgwoz 1y ago

Patreon, Substack, etc have benefits in discovery. Self hosting requires that you figure out how to get discovered. That’s the main problem here.

slightwinder 1y ago
That's a different problem, and won't be solved by any P2P-platform. There are more than enough ways for discovering selfhosted content, people just don't use it.
- apgwoz 1y ago
  > people just don't use it. … which means it’s a problem.
  - slightwinder 1y ago
    No, not really. You want to change the world, but bring up a technical solution, when it's a social situation. If you want to strengthen indymedia, then work on the social level, not technology. Reinventing the same thing again, will not change anything.
    - apgwoz 1y ago
      You’re not wrong to bring up the social level, but you also have to combat the technological level as well. The systems that already exist don’t work not just because of social reasons. Mastodon/ActivityPub was gaining decent traction, despite its usability problems … and then the more usable, better funded BlueSky stepped in. There are lots of options for running your own Mastodon/ ActivityPub implementation, etc—it’s not easy, though. This is purely a technical problem. Of course, I am not really talking about Chirp clones here, but this is a pretty good analogue for comparison.