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Another day, another neuromorphic AI group still trying to make aeroplanes with flapping wings. This time it'll surely work, they've attached a crank to the jet

Another day, another neuromorphic AI group still trying to make aeroplanes with flapping wings. This time it'll surely work, they've attached a crank to the jet engine to drive their flapping apparatus.

smohare 1y ago
While the scornful analogy there is dubious at best, I’d certainly reserve far more skepticism for the groups claiming AGI is within reach via the current crop of mathematically simplistic models
bobbyprograms 1y ago
Birds safely do VTOL. Humans still haven’t figured that out yet (helicopters are so dangerous). I think that it is necessary we try all things because LLMs as we know them take too much energy.
- toxik 1y ago
  Uh, this is a strange thing to ask, but have you seen birds fly? It is most certainly not vertical take off (or landing.)
  - deepanwadhwa 1y ago
    It doesn't sound strange at all. Good question.
  - fragmede 1y ago
    hummingbirds would seem to be the exception tho
- falcor84 1y ago
  Just regarding VTOL, we absolutely have figured out how to do it with quadcopter drones safely handling weights comparable to the largest birds, and it seems to me that scaling these up to carry humans will be relatively straightforward [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_drone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_drone
  - bobbyprograms 1y ago
    As long as you have rapidly spinning BLADES it’s not safe
    - falcor84 1y ago
      Why? Planes also have rapidly spinning blades, but the actual risk from getting hurt by the blades is probably two full orders of magnitude lower than the risk from the whole thing crashing into something at speed, which is an inherent risk when you have massive objects moving quickly, regardless of mechanism.
- moffkalast 1y ago
  We can absolutely do VTOL reliably at bird scale, look at acrobatic RC planes and quad drones. Even the smallest helicopters are massive and the square cube rule will always make that dangerous in this gravity. But also like, harrier, F-35, osprey, etc.

smohare 1y ago

While the scornful analogy there is dubious at best, I’d certainly reserve far more skepticism for the groups claiming AGI is within reach via the current crop of mathematically simplistic models

bobbyprograms 1y ago

Birds safely do VTOL. Humans still haven’t figured that out yet (helicopters are so dangerous). I think that it is necessary we try all things because LLMs as we know them take too much energy.

toxik 1y ago
Uh, this is a strange thing to ask, but have you seen birds fly? It is most certainly not vertical take off (or landing.)
- deepanwadhwa 1y ago
  It doesn't sound strange at all. Good question.
- fragmede 1y ago
  hummingbirds would seem to be the exception tho
falcor84 1y ago
Just regarding VTOL, we absolutely have figured out how to do it with quadcopter drones safely handling weights comparable to the largest birds, and it seems to me that scaling these up to carry humans will be relatively straightforward [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_drone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_drone
- bobbyprograms 1y ago
  As long as you have rapidly spinning BLADES it’s not safe
  - falcor84 1y ago
    Why? Planes also have rapidly spinning blades, but the actual risk from getting hurt by the blades is probably two full orders of magnitude lower than the risk from the whole thing crashing into something at speed, which is an inherent risk when you have massive objects moving quickly, regardless of mechanism.
moffkalast 1y ago
We can absolutely do VTOL reliably at bird scale, look at acrobatic RC planes and quad drones. Even the smallest helicopters are massive and the square cube rule will always make that dangerous in this gravity. But also like, harrier, F-35, osprey, etc.