[can't see any of the links because homedepot is blocking EU/UK] > It consists of a mechanical timer, a dial, and a relay. Great but it only works on fixed ti

[can't see any of the links because homedepot is blocking EU/UK] > It consists of a mechanical timer, a dial, and a relay. Great but it only works on fixed times. Which isn't what we want. > This wall switch occupancy sensor Would only work once we're inside. Which isn't what we want. (And there's no possibility of putting one outside.) > They’re solved problems with cheap commodity devices For certain simplistic scenarios where things are easily installable, etc. Which is great! I'm not saying everyone should use smart things. Just pointing out, repeatedly, that the "cheap commodity devices" do not, and indeed cannot, perform the same functions as smart devices.