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- pavlov 1y agoIn the Nordic countries, that's just a regular jail cell. Except the fridge I guess.
- Razengan 1y agoThey're cold enough there
- dotancohen 1y agoI spent a week in a hostel in Norway (Trumso). The room has a refrigerator, but no freezer. The food to be kept frozen was put on the shelf hanging outside the window.
- type0 1y agoDoesn't work if it's not winter. Also you should keep your food in a fabric bag that hungry magpies and seagulls can't open.
- philipwhiuk 1y agoHuh, it's not nearly as cold as I thought it would be in Tromsø.
- dotancohen 1y agoThanks. We didn't actually use the shelf. I'll take the time to recommend everybody go see the Northern Lights one time in their lives. Not only are they beautiful, the brain has a hard time contemplating something so huge and far away that the eyes discern no parallax. But unlike the moon and stars, they move!
- anjel 1y agoI wonder what frech jail food is like.
- blitzar 1y agoThe wine pairings are particularly unimpressive.
- cardiffspaceman 1y agoSo many heavy sauces?
- philipwhiuk 1y agoFrench stick arrives pre-hardened.
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- ekabod 1y agoHe is a former boss of french police. It is not possible to throw him in one of these overcrowded prisons.
- gnfargbl 1y agoArticle 3 ECHR should prevent the prison authorities from putting any prisoner in a position where they know he's going to "get roughed up". You and I both want that right for ourselves, so surely we should also extend it to Sarzoky?
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- skrebbel 1y agoI can’t figure out whether you think a humane prison system is good or bad.
- dfxm12 1y agoOP's comment suggests they think a tiered justice system is bad.
- tauwauwau 1y agoLaw doesn't seek to punish but to rehabilitate. Act of taking freedom away from the criminal is violent enough. Treating them badly is just a sign of unfair/poor society that cannot maintain (afford to keep) it's promise to be civil to all citizens.
- guerrilla 1y agoYour confounding how things should be with how they are. These are two distinct philosophies, only one of which is relevant in most of the real world, unfortunately.
- rorylawless 1y agoPunishment and rehabilitation aren’t mutually exclusive. Arguably, the punishment aspect is served by the removal of freedoms that being locked in prison entails. Rehabilitation can be any number of things that the prisoner does while in prison.
- Tepix 1y ago> Law doesn't seek to punish but to rehabilitate. That's unfortunately not universally true. This is most obvious when considering the death penalty. Norway exemplifies a rehabilitative justice model and it is effective, evidenced by low recidivism rates.
- NaomiLehman 1y agoVery few first-world countries have death penalties?
- Tepix 1y agoVery few countries in general.
- RestlessMind 1y agoBut most of the people live in countries with death penalties. All the top 6 countries by population have death penalty and only 4 out of biggest 17 countries do not have death penalty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country#/media/File:Capital_punishment_in_the_world.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country#... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependen...
- ajnin 1y agoAll the cells in the solitary confinement wing of the prison where he's incarcerated (La Santé in the middle of Paris) are exactly the same. Due to safety considerations the inmates don't have common utilities like showers or dining area so they have everything in their cells where they remain most of the time. It's not preferential treatment, in fact it could be considered quite cruel to have almost no contact with others.
- Beretta_Vexee 1y agoHe is in the VIP wing of La Santé prison. The part visible from Boulevard Arago is an overcrowded high-security wing, and it is not uncommon to hear screams and shouts in the evening when passing by. Two wings, two different moods, one prison.
- Razengan 1y agoWhat do I have to do to go to a jail like that!
- 1718627440 1y agoVote.
- esafak 1y agoHere is a guide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D04wb7P_v-4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D04wb7P_v-4
- mrtksn 1y ago> One can only dream about such a judicial system that puts criminals behind the bars even if they are very very VIP. Rule of law is what makes the difference between real democracies and AliExpress ones. Unfortunately, the trend for more rule based order has reversed. European governments are all struggling when the "who cares about rules" governments are full steam ahead. Even if they have net negative approval, they have plenty of fanatical supporters, they hold full narrative control through the media which is owned by their super rich allies. Oh and by the way this is happening because the "rule based world" folks screwed up and weren't fair either. It's going to be worse before it gets better. The west is going through a phase and all I hope is that would be too destructive. Thankfully, the world isn't made just from "the west", so I guess its not the end for the humanity - yet.
- mschuster91 1y ago> Thankfully, the world isn't made just from "the west", so I guess its not the end for the humanity - yet. "Humanity" as in "the species homo sapiens sapiens", yes, that will survive. But "humanity" as in "societies ruled by foundational human rights and democracy"? Not if Trump's USA, China, Russia and Modi's India have their will.
- mrtksn 1y agoSo? That part of the world used to be the leading civilizations for centuries. Maybe its their turn again. Personally I don't have problem with that, my stuck is with the decay of the west. I like the European way of life, makes me sad to think that it might be coming to an end and that the rest of my life I will have to care deeply about the implications of geopolitics and power instead of more important things higher in the Maslow pyramid.
- somenameforme 1y agoI don't understand how somebody can speak of the West having "foundational human rights and democracy" non-ironically now a days. We are literally providing the weapons to carry out an actual genocide in Gaza. And 'democracy' doesn't elevate Trump vs Biden as the two most liked candidates in the country. It's just a system with intentionally massive barriers to entry played by political elites and the occasional outsider billionaire, exactly the same in systems of minority rule. The past ~10 years have been a serious masks off moment. I long for who we were in the past, but I sometimes wonder if we ever were that, or if it was just a more well maintained facade. But this current nonsense? Yeah, I'm not particularly upset about giving another bloc having their time in the limelight, because at this point somebody calling what we've become to be grounded on 'foundational human rights and democracy' is plainly nauseating.
- baby 1y agoWe have good prisons in France, it's a good thing
- kulahan 1y agoDoesn't France have a fundamentally different legal system from the US and British versions? IIRC, USA etc. rely primarily on precedent for their legal systems. France, Germany, and others rely on written law specifically. I imagine in the latter form, it's easier to get big boys in jail, because simply being defeated once doesn't weaken all future attempts. I could be completely misremembering though.