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Which will backfire spectacularly when Obama is re-elected.

zzrrt 1y ago
I get the impulse and it would be amusing, but I have a feeling people are sick of "dynasty" Dem candidates for president (Hillary after her husband, Biden/Harris after each being VPs.) Feels like his legacy and appeal has kind of faded too. He was an exciting first-time candidate and good-enough incumbent, but third term?
- simondotau 1y ago
  Hillary sure, but they explicitly said Obama, not Clinton. Nominating a VP as President isn’t dynastic, it’s been common practice for centuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vice_presidents_of_the_United_States_who_ran_for_president https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vice_presidents_of_the...
  - heavyset_go 1y ago
    Something about powerful people handing power down being common practice for centuries seems dynasty-like to me.
    - simondotau 1y ago
      Handing your own power down to yourself — as is the case when a VP wins the primary and presidency, or Obama running for a third term — is not a “dynasty”.
Spooky23 1y ago
You can’t get elected if you don’t count the votes. That requires a joint session of congress. If due to an unprecedented emergency the congress cannot come into session there’s no clear rule what happens. Any number of emergent events may create an emergency preventing the congress from gathering. The congress are collaborators and the Supreme Court is compromised.
- UltraSane 1y ago
  That would trigger a real civil war.
  - testing22321 1y ago
    Which would further delay any chance of a transition of power. More and more it looks like that is what he wants.
    - UltraSane 1y ago
      It would trigger his removal.
      - testing22321 1y ago
        How?
- zzrrt 1y ago
  Trump was giddy at that Zelenskiy meeting a few months ago, when he heard elections were suspended in Ukraine due to the war. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bvUBtdHw3g4 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bvUBtdHw3g4 Said something like "So, if in 3.5 years, we are in a war... no more elections. Oh, that's good."
- evan_ 1y ago
  > If due to an unprecedented emergency the congress cannot come into session there’s no clear rule what happens. For instance if hundreds of people are rioting and breaking into the capitol building. That's what they were trying to do on Jan 6.
- chippiewill 1y ago
  If that happens then Trump doesn't get to stay president, the 20th amendment means his term ends regardless.
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paxys 1y ago
What makes you think Obama will be allowed to run?
- qingcharles 1y ago
  They already thought of that. He won't: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45663333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45663333
overfeed 1y ago
If it were to happen, I fully expect the supreme court to contort itself for a bespoke ruling that only applies under the current set of circumstances, favoring a very specific candidate and no one else.
- qingcharles 1y ago
  It's already happened: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45663333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45663333
heavyset_go 1y ago
Reminder that the President's legal team argued that he could have his political rivals executed by SEAL Team 6 and the Supreme Court was like "yep!" and ruled in his favor.
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evan_ 1y ago
If they do this approach they will surely say that the constitutional limit is two consecutive terms, and since Trump's two terms were non-consecutive, he's still eligible to run again.
- qingcharles 1y ago
  They already did, 9 months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45663333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45663333
- simondotau 1y ago
  No, the approach will be to put Trump second on a ticket as vice president, and then have the top name on the ticket abdicate on day one. The constitution says he can’t be elected president, but on an extremely pedantic reading, it doesn’t say he can’t be elected vice president.
qingcharles 1y ago
The constitutional amendment that GOP have put forward specifically prohibits any president who previously served two consecutive terms. (they had already thought this through, it literally only allows Trump three terms) “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than three times, nor be elected to any additional term after being elected to two consecutive terms, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice.” https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-joint-resolution/29/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-joint-res...
- fatbird 1y ago
  They can't possibly believe that they'll get 37 states to ratify it in the next three years to make it all square and legal. Their only plausible path is some very tortured Supreme Court ruling.
sigmoid10 1y ago
Look at the options they are actually evaluating. This is not about an actual election or changing amendments (which even they admit is unlikely) and more playing the system using never before used tricks to have Trump in the chair again after the dust settles.

I get the impulse and it would be amusing, but I have a feeling people are sick of "dynasty" Dem candidates for president (Hillary after her husband, Biden/Harris after each being VPs.) Feels like his legacy and appeal has kind of faded too. He was an exciting first-time candidate and good-enough incumbent, but third term?

simondotau 1y ago
Hillary sure, but they explicitly said Obama, not Clinton. Nominating a VP as President isn’t dynastic, it’s been common practice for centuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vice_presidents_of_the_United_States_who_ran_for_president https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vice_presidents_of_the...
- heavyset_go 1y ago
  Something about powerful people handing power down being common practice for centuries seems dynasty-like to me.
  - simondotau 1y ago
    Handing your own power down to yourself — as is the case when a VP wins the primary and presidency, or Obama running for a third term — is not a “dynasty”.

Spooky23 1y ago

You can’t get elected if you don’t count the votes. That requires a joint session of congress. If due to an unprecedented emergency the congress cannot come into session there’s no clear rule what happens. Any number of emergent events may create an emergency preventing the congress from gathering. The congress are collaborators and the Supreme Court is compromised.

UltraSane 1y ago
That would trigger a real civil war.
- testing22321 1y ago
  Which would further delay any chance of a transition of power. More and more it looks like that is what he wants.
  - UltraSane 1y ago
    It would trigger his removal.
    - testing22321 1y ago
      How?
zzrrt 1y ago
Trump was giddy at that Zelenskiy meeting a few months ago, when he heard elections were suspended in Ukraine due to the war. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bvUBtdHw3g4 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bvUBtdHw3g4 Said something like "So, if in 3.5 years, we are in a war... no more elections. Oh, that's good."
evan_ 1y ago
> If due to an unprecedented emergency the congress cannot come into session there’s no clear rule what happens. For instance if hundreds of people are rioting and breaking into the capitol building. That's what they were trying to do on Jan 6.
chippiewill 1y ago
If that happens then Trump doesn't get to stay president, the 20th amendment means his term ends regardless.
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paxys 1y ago

What makes you think Obama will be allowed to run?

qingcharles 1y ago
They already thought of that. He won't: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45663333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45663333

overfeed 1y ago

If it were to happen, I fully expect the supreme court to contort itself for a bespoke ruling that only applies under the current set of circumstances, favoring a very specific candidate and no one else.

qingcharles 1y ago
It's already happened: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45663333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45663333

heavyset_go 1y ago

Reminder that the President's legal team argued that he could have his political rivals executed by SEAL Team 6 and the Supreme Court was like "yep!" and ruled in his favor.

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evan_ 1y ago

If they do this approach they will surely say that the constitutional limit is two consecutive terms, and since Trump's two terms were non-consecutive, he's still eligible to run again.

qingcharles 1y ago
They already did, 9 months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45663333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45663333
simondotau 1y ago
No, the approach will be to put Trump second on a ticket as vice president, and then have the top name on the ticket abdicate on day one. The constitution says he can’t be elected president, but on an extremely pedantic reading, it doesn’t say he can’t be elected vice president.

qingcharles 1y ago

The constitutional amendment that GOP have put forward specifically prohibits any president who previously served two consecutive terms. (they had already thought this through, it literally only allows Trump three terms) “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than three times, nor be elected to any additional term after being elected to two consecutive terms, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice.” https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-joint-resolution/29/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-joint-res...

fatbird 1y ago
They can't possibly believe that they'll get 37 states to ratify it in the next three years to make it all square and legal. Their only plausible path is some very tortured Supreme Court ruling.

sigmoid10 1y ago

Look at the options they are actually evaluating. This is not about an actual election or changing amendments (which even they admit is unlikely) and more playing the system using never before used tricks to have Trump in the chair again after the dust settles.