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"our opinion of this stuff doesn't matter." It very much does matter. If more people refuse to do this type of work, it eventually won't be done to the require
by Ms-J 1y ago
"our opinion of this stuff doesn't matter."
It very much does matter. If more people refuse to do this type of work, it eventually won't be done to the required standard. People would cut family ties and this would stop fast.
- tptacek 1y agoThat's an incredibly blinkered view of the ecosystem that assumes that the only talent capable of delivering this work is people you talk to or share cultural ties with. There are ultra-skilled people in developing countries who could not give less of a fuck about how uncomfortable this stuff makes people in the west.
- GauntletWizard 1y agoThere are tons of people in the West who have no qualms about doing this for pure crime purposes; many of them are the ones who espouse most ardently that doing this work for the government is immoral.
- philipallstar 1y ago> many of them are the ones who espouse most ardently that doing this work for the government is immoral How do you know this?
- GauntletWizard 1y agoAn opinion, based on meeting people like https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/capital-one-hacking-suspect-allegedly-boasted-online-despite-warnings-don-n1036111 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/capital-one-hacking-sus...
- fruitworks 1y agoso what? As GP suggests, they are not nessisary for the development of exploits.
- pixl97 1y ago>If more people refuse to do this type of work This is kind of like saying "if people wouldn't murder other people then..." "Bad" kind of work always finds bodies to fill it's spots. Boycotts of a particular business might work, but a type of work won't, especially when there is decent money on the table. And then when you start adding in people that had previous run ins with law enforcement and find it hard to get a "legit" job and get a decent offer from a place like this, they'll have no problem taking it.
- diffeomorphism 1y agoIt would stop in your country but not globally. That means your country loses all expertise and will be much worse off to defend itself. Case in point: In 2007 Germany passed a "hacking law" (§202c). On its face, it was supposed to prevent black hat work. Except it very predictably also did enormous damage to security research.