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Candidates drop out, die, or become ineligible in all kinds of ways. Paper is not strictly better and can create costs and complications on the day of the el

Candidates drop out, die, or become ineligible in all kinds of ways. Paper is not strictly better and can create costs and complications on the day of the election itself. Electronic voting is fine. Why can't we just have a printer in the polling booth? I run my ballot, then hit print, then I can manually verify it, and then drop the printed ballot in a box. Literally the easiest thing to do.

para_parolu 1y ago
This is not electronic voting imo. Just optimization for someone who finds taping faster than putting X with pen
okanat 1y ago
If there is a most HN comment award, this comment must get it. Congrats you invented the most expensive pen / stamp!
- themafia 1y ago
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  - okanat 1y ago
    You still have to securely distribute those machines. All of the things still apply. Actually you need even more security! Printing paper is cheap. Shipping it is cheap. Checking it is cheap and obvious. Reprinting is cheap. You don't even need to ship them. Most of the cities are close to industrial areas which has big printers and paper mills. Making stamps or buying pens is cheap. You validate ballots at the polling stations which is scalable and cheap. It is the members of public who validate it. You don't need to pay most of them. They are just local constituents! It is their vote! You are not aware how far away you are from the point!
    - themafia 1y ago
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  - dang 1y ago
    Can you please edit out swipes from your HN comments, and generally stop posting aggressively? You haven't been doing it extremely (which is good) but you have been doing it repeatedly (which is bad). Your comment here, for example, would be fine without the last bit ("you've missed the point entirely"). If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
cakeday 1y ago
IIRC, last presidential election that was what we did in our county, voted on a machine, got a prinout, verified it, stuck it in the scanner and was done. I think I'm remembering it right?
shadowgovt 1y ago
What you have just described is an ExpressVote voting system, manufactured by ES&S (https://www.essvote.com/products/expressvote-3/ https://www.essvote.com/products/expressvote-3/). Here is an example how-to on using it from Micigan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebqktli8bRk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebqktli8bRk). The only salient difference between what you describe and the actual system is that the paper run through the machine is also audited (to guard against someone ballot-stuffing by creating additional ballots when nobody is looking). If you want this, the next step would be to get involved at your county or state level (depending on how your state makes voting technology decisions).
nickthegreek 1y ago
Ohio has this.

para_parolu 1y ago

This is not electronic voting imo. Just optimization for someone who finds taping faster than putting X with pen

okanat 1y ago

If there is a most HN comment award, this comment must get it. Congrats you invented the most expensive pen / stamp!

themafia 1y ago
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- okanat 1y ago
  You still have to securely distribute those machines. All of the things still apply. Actually you need even more security! Printing paper is cheap. Shipping it is cheap. Checking it is cheap and obvious. Reprinting is cheap. You don't even need to ship them. Most of the cities are close to industrial areas which has big printers and paper mills. Making stamps or buying pens is cheap. You validate ballots at the polling stations which is scalable and cheap. It is the members of public who validate it. You don't need to pay most of them. They are just local constituents! It is their vote! You are not aware how far away you are from the point!
  - themafia 1y ago
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- dang 1y ago
  Can you please edit out swipes from your HN comments, and generally stop posting aggressively? You haven't been doing it extremely (which is good) but you have been doing it repeatedly (which is bad). Your comment here, for example, would be fine without the last bit ("you've missed the point entirely"). If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

cakeday 1y ago

IIRC, last presidential election that was what we did in our county, voted on a machine, got a prinout, verified it, stuck it in the scanner and was done. I think I'm remembering it right?

shadowgovt 1y ago

What you have just described is an ExpressVote voting system, manufactured by ES&S (https://www.essvote.com/products/expressvote-3/ https://www.essvote.com/products/expressvote-3/). Here is an example how-to on using it from Micigan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebqktli8bRk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebqktli8bRk). The only salient difference between what you describe and the actual system is that the paper run through the machine is also audited (to guard against someone ballot-stuffing by creating additional ballots when nobody is looking). If you want this, the next step would be to get involved at your county or state level (depending on how your state makes voting technology decisions).

nickthegreek 1y ago

Ohio has this.