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Im still weary of OpenAI being legally required to retain all of your data even if you delete it [0] . This means everything you expose to this tool will be per

Im still weary of OpenAI being legally required to retain all of your data even if you delete it [0] . This means everything you expose to this tool will be permanently stored somewhere. Why isn’t this a bigger problem for people? Even privacy concerns aside… this would be the world’s most catastrophic data leak. [0]: https://openai.com/index/response-to-nyt-data-demands/ https://openai.com/index/response-to-nyt-data-demands/

sloankev 1y ago
They literally created a precedent that’s it’s for use in legal cases if required… why would you want your entire digital life subject to subpoena?
- ragequittah 1y ago
  Given that most of society already uses chrome with Google search on their adware ridden android phones it's not much of a change from that.
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tempestn 1y ago
I think you mean wary, not weary.
- gulfofamerica 1y ago
  Por que no los dos.
  - Wistar 1y ago
    Si, si.
ragequittah 1y ago
I'm not so sure this is much worse than Chrome. Really in today's world if you're not browsing the web like multiple people are looking over your shoulder you're probably doing it wrong. And most of the steps people do to mitigate privacy violations (TOR, pihole, VPNs, etc.) probably make any signal you do put out more scrutinized. The one solution I do like is the iCloud private relay which I hope some reputable VPN vendors pick up soon.
- throitallaway 1y ago
  Does Google have my .env files that I've opened via Chrome?
  - bdangubic 1y ago
    it has yours and your next door neighbour's as well
- darepublic 1y ago
  My general understanding is that they browser fingerprint you. And then if that fingerprint is ever detected on a site that also knows your pii they have you. Is that the gist of it or are there more shenanigans I'm unaware of
  - nerdponx 1y ago
    "They" aren't that interested in PII. They're interested in assigning a unique identifier for you and building as detailed of a profile about you as possible, for targeting ads to you, and more recently tailoring prices to maximize value extraction when you buy something. Focusing on the narrow definition of "PII" as it usually is defined in law is a total distraction. Your email address and name are irrelevant for all of that.
  - boston_clone 1y ago
    By default, I believe that anything you put in the "omnibox" is sent to Google - even if you don't press enter. So, if you use it as a clipboard of sorts and paste a secret / token / key, it should be considered compromised. You can validate this by going to chrome://omnibox
granzymes 1y ago
Thankfully the New York Times lost their attempt to force OpenAI to continue preserving all logs on an ongoing basis, but they still need to keep some of the records they retained before September. https://mashable.com/article/openai-court-ordered-chat-gpt-preservation-no-longer-required https://mashable.com/article/openai-court-ordered-chat-gpt-p...
p1esk 1y ago
this would be the world’s most catastrophic data leak. Why?
- runjake 1y ago
  Because sama has mentioned that a heck of a lot of people use ChatGPT to discuss some of their deepest secrets and fantasies.
  - The_Rob 1y ago
    So the world's most embarrassing data leak, but "catastrophic" is stretching it.
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qmr 1y ago
I think you meant wary. wear·y /ˈwirē/ adjective 1. feeling or showing extreme tiredness, especially as a result of excessive exertion. "he gave a long, weary sigh" 2. reluctant to see or experience any more of; tired of. "she was weary of their constant arguments" verb 1. cause to become tired. "she was wearied by her persistent cough" 2. grow tired of or bored with. "she wearied of the sameness of her life" /ˈwerē/ adjective feeling or showing caution about possible dangers or problems. "dogs that have been mistreated often remain very wary of strangers"
MisterTea 1y ago
> Why isn’t this a bigger problem for people? I have friends who are in tech and perfectly aware of the implications but prefer the low effort route. They feel that A. they are not important enough for someone else to care about and B. there is so much data that it is unlikely their data will be seen by anyone.
greyman 1y ago
I conditioned myself to not type too-revealing texts about myself into the computer. It isn't ideal but of course this is quite a big problem.
chrisweekly 1y ago
Weary (tired) or wary (afraid)?
WA 1y ago
> Why isn’t this a bigger problem for people? Same reason why Chrome and Gmail won. People don't care. Even most people on HN don't care if the tool is slightly better than the competition.

sloankev 1y ago

They literally created a precedent that’s it’s for use in legal cases if required… why would you want your entire digital life subject to subpoena?

ragequittah 1y ago
Given that most of society already uses chrome with Google search on their adware ridden android phones it's not much of a change from that.

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tempestn 1y ago

I think you mean wary, not weary.

gulfofamerica 1y ago
Por que no los dos.
- Wistar 1y ago
  Si, si.

ragequittah 1y ago

I'm not so sure this is much worse than Chrome. Really in today's world if you're not browsing the web like multiple people are looking over your shoulder you're probably doing it wrong. And most of the steps people do to mitigate privacy violations (TOR, pihole, VPNs, etc.) probably make any signal you do put out more scrutinized. The one solution I do like is the iCloud private relay which I hope some reputable VPN vendors pick up soon.

throitallaway 1y ago
Does Google have my .env files that I've opened via Chrome?
- bdangubic 1y ago
  it has yours and your next door neighbour's as well
darepublic 1y ago
My general understanding is that they browser fingerprint you. And then if that fingerprint is ever detected on a site that also knows your pii they have you. Is that the gist of it or are there more shenanigans I'm unaware of
- nerdponx 1y ago
  "They" aren't that interested in PII. They're interested in assigning a unique identifier for you and building as detailed of a profile about you as possible, for targeting ads to you, and more recently tailoring prices to maximize value extraction when you buy something. Focusing on the narrow definition of "PII" as it usually is defined in law is a total distraction. Your email address and name are irrelevant for all of that.
- boston_clone 1y ago
  By default, I believe that anything you put in the "omnibox" is sent to Google - even if you don't press enter. So, if you use it as a clipboard of sorts and paste a secret / token / key, it should be considered compromised. You can validate this by going to chrome://omnibox

granzymes 1y ago

Thankfully the New York Times lost their attempt to force OpenAI to continue preserving all logs on an ongoing basis, but they still need to keep some of the records they retained before September. https://mashable.com/article/openai-court-ordered-chat-gpt-preservation-no-longer-required https://mashable.com/article/openai-court-ordered-chat-gpt-p...

p1esk 1y ago

this would be the world’s most catastrophic data leak. Why?

runjake 1y ago
Because sama has mentioned that a heck of a lot of people use ChatGPT to discuss some of their deepest secrets and fantasies.
- The_Rob 1y ago
  So the world's most embarrassing data leak, but "catastrophic" is stretching it.

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qmr 1y ago

I think you meant wary. wear·y /ˈwirē/ adjective 1. feeling or showing extreme tiredness, especially as a result of excessive exertion. "he gave a long, weary sigh" 2. reluctant to see or experience any more of; tired of. "she was weary of their constant arguments" verb 1. cause to become tired. "she was wearied by her persistent cough" 2. grow tired of or bored with. "she wearied of the sameness of her life" /ˈwerē/ adjective feeling or showing caution about possible dangers or problems. "dogs that have been mistreated often remain very wary of strangers"

MisterTea 1y ago

> Why isn’t this a bigger problem for people? I have friends who are in tech and perfectly aware of the implications but prefer the low effort route. They feel that A. they are not important enough for someone else to care about and B. there is so much data that it is unlikely their data will be seen by anyone.

greyman 1y ago

I conditioned myself to not type too-revealing texts about myself into the computer. It isn't ideal but of course this is quite a big problem.

chrisweekly 1y ago

Weary (tired) or wary (afraid)?

WA 1y ago

> Why isn’t this a bigger problem for people? Same reason why Chrome and Gmail won. People don't care. Even most people on HN don't care if the tool is slightly better than the competition.