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Just use paper, count by hand, and abolish mail-in ballots and you should be fine.

Yizahi 1y ago
And enforce national photo ID finally, like all other countries. I know this is a REP take, but they are absolutely correct in this particular issue.
- fabian2k 1y ago
  In other countries everyone has an ID automatically. That is a requirement to use IDs for voting. You need a proper national ID system, not the hodgepodge of random identity documents the US uses.
  - lucideer 1y ago
    > In other countries everyone has an ID automatically (Splitting hairs here but) this isn't true: in some countries, but not all. In some countries ID is an optional document you only need to acquire if you want to drive, vote or travel internationally.
- aweiland 1y ago
  Correct on the idea maybe, but their implementation schemes are designed to disenfranchise those less likely to vote for them.
  - Yizahi 1y ago
    I heard this concern and looking at the MAGA it is totally believable. But really, how can a country disenfranchise anyone, if they will issue a mandatory national ID? If it is not national (state or lower) or if it not mandatory (voluntary and/or paid for), then I can see parth for corruption. But if it is mandatory national document, issued to every citizen without exception and only to citizens, then I honestly don't see where the corruption may happen. If anything, USA SSNs are much bigger vector of corruption, a proven vector of corruption, but again, like with FPTP no one bats the eye.
  - jcarrano 1y ago
    I don't believe that. Even in the most backward places where people can barely read they can manage to get an ID. If anything, it would have a leveling effect, by decoupling the voter id from things like driving, which have nothing to do with voting.
    - tzs 1y ago
      You are not correct. See the links in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42116609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42116609
horacemorace 1y ago
We’ve been using mail ballots for decades, as a voter this system is convenient and afaik hasn’t been seriously challenged. Your suggestion for its abolition aligns with treasonous players like Vought.
kiitos 1y ago
> abolish mail-in ballots how then should voters who are not physically present in their voting district cast their votes?
- jcarrano 1y ago
  If you moved to another district you should vote there. If you want people temporarily out of their district to vote, then in district X you could have a box for district Y, put paper ballots in, and send the sealed box to Y to be counted. The important thing is that the vote is cast in person by the right voter and put immediately into the box.
  - kiitos 11mo ago
    and for citizens who are living abroad and cannot appear in person in any district? (which includes but is not limited to active duty military?) how do they vote? (hint: the answer is mail-in ballots)
fzeroracer 1y ago
> abolish mail-in ballots and you should be fine. There is fundamentally no difference between a mail-in ballot and a ballot you drop at an arbitrary box somewhere.

And enforce national photo ID finally, like all other countries. I know this is a REP take, but they are absolutely correct in this particular issue.

fabian2k 1y ago
In other countries everyone has an ID automatically. That is a requirement to use IDs for voting. You need a proper national ID system, not the hodgepodge of random identity documents the US uses.
- lucideer 1y ago
  > In other countries everyone has an ID automatically (Splitting hairs here but) this isn't true: in some countries, but not all. In some countries ID is an optional document you only need to acquire if you want to drive, vote or travel internationally.
aweiland 1y ago
Correct on the idea maybe, but their implementation schemes are designed to disenfranchise those less likely to vote for them.
- Yizahi 1y ago
  I heard this concern and looking at the MAGA it is totally believable. But really, how can a country disenfranchise anyone, if they will issue a mandatory national ID? If it is not national (state or lower) or if it not mandatory (voluntary and/or paid for), then I can see parth for corruption. But if it is mandatory national document, issued to every citizen without exception and only to citizens, then I honestly don't see where the corruption may happen. If anything, USA SSNs are much bigger vector of corruption, a proven vector of corruption, but again, like with FPTP no one bats the eye.
- jcarrano 1y ago
  I don't believe that. Even in the most backward places where people can barely read they can manage to get an ID. If anything, it would have a leveling effect, by decoupling the voter id from things like driving, which have nothing to do with voting.
  - tzs 1y ago
    You are not correct. See the links in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42116609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42116609

horacemorace 1y ago

We’ve been using mail ballots for decades, as a voter this system is convenient and afaik hasn’t been seriously challenged. Your suggestion for its abolition aligns with treasonous players like Vought.

kiitos 1y ago

> abolish mail-in ballots how then should voters who are not physically present in their voting district cast their votes?

jcarrano 1y ago
If you moved to another district you should vote there. If you want people temporarily out of their district to vote, then in district X you could have a box for district Y, put paper ballots in, and send the sealed box to Y to be counted. The important thing is that the vote is cast in person by the right voter and put immediately into the box.
- kiitos 11mo ago
  and for citizens who are living abroad and cannot appear in person in any district? (which includes but is not limited to active duty military?) how do they vote? (hint: the answer is mail-in ballots)

fzeroracer 1y ago

> abolish mail-in ballots and you should be fine. There is fundamentally no difference between a mail-in ballot and a ballot you drop at an arbitrary box somewhere.