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isn't the worst case it goes into the engine and it explodes/burns?

trenchpilgrim 1y ago
No, because the plane is designed to safely fly without an engine. They test the engines by shooting turkeys from the grocery store into them while they run.
- bdangubic 1y ago
  without working one working engine - sure. with serious structural damage - perhaps not so much
  - trenchpilgrim 1y ago
    Yes, with serious structural damage. It's part of certification process for the engine: https://youtu.be/iBqWS1hil18 https://youtu.be/iBqWS1hil18
    - MaxfordAndSons 1y ago
      I think GP meant structural damage to the airframe. That said, I think there are some modes of structural damage a modern plane can sustain and still fly, but to gp's point, probably not many.
      - bdangubic 1y ago
        yes I did :)
        trenchpilgrim 1y ago
        The FAA limits the mass of a weather balloon for this reason. I also would not be surprised to see new regulation on the distribution of that mass as a result of this incident.
        ggreer 1y ago
        There are some limitations on such balloons already. For example, if the payload is 4-6lbs, stricter rules apply if the weight/size ratio is greater than three ounces per square inch (measured by the smallest surface on the payload).[1] Also for larger balloons, any trailing antenna must break if subjected to an impact force of 50lbs, or the antenna must have colored streamers every 50ft. The ideal measurement would be some sort of crash testing. eg: The payload is accelerated at some standard velocity towards some standard target that represents the weakest part of an airplane (either cockpit glass or leading edge of a wing) and must not damage the target beyond some threshold. But that seems like it would be expensive, since every change in payload would require re-testing. Limits on sectional density seem like a good compromise. 1. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-F/part-101 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-F...
- cbm-vic-20 1y ago
  As god as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. Through jet engines.
  - HeyLaughingBoy 1y ago
    Pretty sure even Les wouldn't have thought that ;-)
  - MPSimmons 1y ago
    See, now I'm thinking of mayonnaise injectors to make instance turkey salad
- eirikbakke 1y ago
  Afterwards, they ship the entire engine, with turkey giblets and all, to a lab where the resulting damage is analyzed. Smells awful, according to the engineer I sat next to at a Thanksgiving dinner once...
  - Polizeiposaune 1y ago
    Hopefully the giblets at your Thanksgiving dinner didn't come from the engine-sliced turkeys...
- modeless 1y ago
  Exactly. The plane can land with one engine or even no engines, but it can't land without a pilot in a functioning cockpit.
- 3D30497420 1y ago
  There's even a whole Wikipedia article on the "chicken gun" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_gun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_gun
dlcarrier 1y ago
Depressurizations are worse than losing an engine. It can incapacitate the flight crew in seconds.

No, because the plane is designed to safely fly without an engine. They test the engines by shooting turkeys from the grocery store into them while they run.

bdangubic 1y ago
without working one working engine - sure. with serious structural damage - perhaps not so much
- trenchpilgrim 1y ago
  Yes, with serious structural damage. It's part of certification process for the engine: https://youtu.be/iBqWS1hil18 https://youtu.be/iBqWS1hil18
  - MaxfordAndSons 1y ago
    I think GP meant structural damage to the airframe. That said, I think there are some modes of structural damage a modern plane can sustain and still fly, but to gp's point, probably not many.
    - bdangubic 1y ago
      yes I did :)
      - trenchpilgrim 1y ago
        The FAA limits the mass of a weather balloon for this reason. I also would not be surprised to see new regulation on the distribution of that mass as a result of this incident.
        ggreer 1y ago
        There are some limitations on such balloons already. For example, if the payload is 4-6lbs, stricter rules apply if the weight/size ratio is greater than three ounces per square inch (measured by the smallest surface on the payload).[1] Also for larger balloons, any trailing antenna must break if subjected to an impact force of 50lbs, or the antenna must have colored streamers every 50ft. The ideal measurement would be some sort of crash testing. eg: The payload is accelerated at some standard velocity towards some standard target that represents the weakest part of an airplane (either cockpit glass or leading edge of a wing) and must not damage the target beyond some threshold. But that seems like it would be expensive, since every change in payload would require re-testing. Limits on sectional density seem like a good compromise. 1. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-F/part-101 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-F...
cbm-vic-20 1y ago
As god as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. Through jet engines.
- HeyLaughingBoy 1y ago
  Pretty sure even Les wouldn't have thought that ;-)
- MPSimmons 1y ago
  See, now I'm thinking of mayonnaise injectors to make instance turkey salad
eirikbakke 1y ago
Afterwards, they ship the entire engine, with turkey giblets and all, to a lab where the resulting damage is analyzed. Smells awful, according to the engineer I sat next to at a Thanksgiving dinner once...
- Polizeiposaune 1y ago
  Hopefully the giblets at your Thanksgiving dinner didn't come from the engine-sliced turkeys...
modeless 1y ago
Exactly. The plane can land with one engine or even no engines, but it can't land without a pilot in a functioning cockpit.
3D30497420 1y ago
There's even a whole Wikipedia article on the "chicken gun" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_gun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_gun

dlcarrier 1y ago

Depressurizations are worse than losing an engine. It can incapacitate the flight crew in seconds.