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One of the main figures lionized in that song (which is an anti-colonialist chant to be clear) is a white guy, Joe Slovo. These people are unserious.

mothballed 1y ago
Joe Slovo isn't Boer; of course he has no problem with Kill the Boer as he allied himself with the ANC againts the Boer. Being white doesn't excuse you from tribalism/racism.
- femiagbabiaka 1y ago
  Tribalism is not when you colonize a country and terrorize the former residents from centuries. Tribalism is when your multi-racial coalition pens a song expressing their rage at said terror. I understand now, priors updated.
  - FredPret 1y ago
    Are you familiar with South Africa? There's at least a dozen different tribes, of which only two are white. There's been inter-tribal violence between all of them since time immemorial leading up to today.
    - femiagbabiaka 1y ago
      Are you? Because I don't know a single South African who would describe historical intertribal violence and Dutch colonialism and apartheid as basically the same thing.
      - FredPret 1y ago
        Your argument was "there's no tribalism except what the whites brought to South Africa", remember? And elsewhere you say that because of this, violence against white South Africans are justified. This is not only insane, but simply historically incorrect. I'm going to stop replying to you now (apparently there's a "HN Blocklist" Chrome addon!) but feel free to keep justifying calls for political and ethnic violence. It should make interesting reading for others in the decades to come.
        femiagbabiaka 1y ago
        > replies to my comment > gets a bunch of basic facts wrong > stomps off, hits block button The apartheid fans are not bringing their best I'm afraid.
        antonvs 1y ago
        > The apartheid fans are not bringing their best I'm afraid. Oh believe me, they are.
FredPret 1y ago
It's "anti-colonialist" in the sense that it encourages the mass murder of the descendants of the original colonialists. I don't know the US well enough to give you an exact equivalent, but "shoot the WASP" might be more or less the same thing. It wouldn't be any better if the same song sang the praises of a white member of the Weather Underground.
- femiagbabiaka 1y ago
  Save me the pearl clutching. The song was penned by people living directly under the thumb of those poor innocent descendants and waging an active battle for their freedom. You'd even deny them their rage against those directly culpable for their oppression.
  - FredPret 1y ago
    Poor innocent descendants -> I did not call them poor, or innocent. Deny rage -> of course not. I'd be furious too. But singing songs like "bring my machine gun" and "shoot people from that ethnic group" just aren't justified, especially since South Africa has been a democracy for decades now.
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    - femiagbabiaka 1y ago
      Who are you to say what is justified?
      - FredPret 1y ago
        Moral relativism at its finest. Turn away now, because this is a dead end my friend. "ethnic cleansing is justified if the violence goes the way I prefer" is the red flag of all red flags.
        femiagbabiaka 1y ago

mothballed 1y ago

Joe Slovo isn't Boer; of course he has no problem with Kill the Boer as he allied himself with the ANC againts the Boer. Being white doesn't excuse you from tribalism/racism.

femiagbabiaka 1y ago
Tribalism is not when you colonize a country and terrorize the former residents from centuries. Tribalism is when your multi-racial coalition pens a song expressing their rage at said terror. I understand now, priors updated.
- FredPret 1y ago
  Are you familiar with South Africa? There's at least a dozen different tribes, of which only two are white. There's been inter-tribal violence between all of them since time immemorial leading up to today.
  - femiagbabiaka 1y ago
    Are you? Because I don't know a single South African who would describe historical intertribal violence and Dutch colonialism and apartheid as basically the same thing.
    - FredPret 1y ago
      Your argument was "there's no tribalism except what the whites brought to South Africa", remember? And elsewhere you say that because of this, violence against white South Africans are justified. This is not only insane, but simply historically incorrect. I'm going to stop replying to you now (apparently there's a "HN Blocklist" Chrome addon!) but feel free to keep justifying calls for political and ethnic violence. It should make interesting reading for others in the decades to come.
      - femiagbabiaka 1y ago
        > replies to my comment > gets a bunch of basic facts wrong > stomps off, hits block button The apartheid fans are not bringing their best I'm afraid.
        antonvs 1y ago
        > The apartheid fans are not bringing their best I'm afraid. Oh believe me, they are.

FredPret 1y ago

It's "anti-colonialist" in the sense that it encourages the mass murder of the descendants of the original colonialists. I don't know the US well enough to give you an exact equivalent, but "shoot the WASP" might be more or less the same thing. It wouldn't be any better if the same song sang the praises of a white member of the Weather Underground.

femiagbabiaka 1y ago
Save me the pearl clutching. The song was penned by people living directly under the thumb of those poor innocent descendants and waging an active battle for their freedom. You'd even deny them their rage against those directly culpable for their oppression.
- FredPret 1y ago
  Poor innocent descendants -> I did not call them poor, or innocent. Deny rage -> of course not. I'd be furious too. But singing songs like "bring my machine gun" and "shoot people from that ethnic group" just aren't justified, especially since South Africa has been a democracy for decades now.
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  - femiagbabiaka 1y ago
    Who are you to say what is justified?
    - FredPret 1y ago
      Moral relativism at its finest. Turn away now, because this is a dead end my friend. "ethnic cleansing is justified if the violence goes the way I prefer" is the red flag of all red flags.
      - femiagbabiaka 1y ago