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The German government regularly sets up tools which help people decide which party to vote for. Journalists continually publish articles arguing which politica

The German government regularly sets up tools which help people decide which party to vote for. Journalists continually publish articles arguing which political parties should be favored. What makes LLMs so special that they can not be used as tools to decide which party to vote for? Nobody is suggesting that we ask ChatGPT to pick the new government. But why can it not be used to inform people? And if it can not be used to inform people about politics should it be allowed to inform about anything if importance?

random9749832 1y ago
>But why can it not be used to inform people? Because it is biased. You are essentially giving up your decision making to people who don't even live in the same country as you. You wouldn't use it if it were trained in Russia.
- constantcrying 1y ago
  >Because it is biased. But so are most pieces of opinion journalism. What is the distinction here? >You are essentially giving up your decision making to people who don't even live in the same country as you. I am sure that your opinion does not depend on the country of origin. Should Dutch people not read German or English Media covering election issues? Would your argument not apply to the US, where the models were trained? Why should voters be allowed to get opinions from journalists and not from LLMs. Certainly journalists have a bias and often make arguments that certain parties should be supported over others. Why is it not fine if an LLM does that? What I am asking of you is an actual reason these LLMs should be treated as distinct from a piece of opinion journalism.
  - random9749832 1y ago
    >But so are most pieces of opinion journalism. What is the distinction here? I gave you the distinction. If you don't think there is anything wrong with outside actors influencing your country's direction with black box models on unknown training data and fine-tuning under the brand of "intelligence" then we simply have different beliefs.
    - constantcrying 1y ago
      The German mainstream center left Media has been warning about the rise of the far right PVV, many Dutch people speak German and German magazines are being sold in the Netherlands. Should these Dutch people not read these magazines, should politicians warn voters against reading these German magazines? To me this does not seem sensible. And another question: supposing a LLM 100% trained in the Netherlands was in use. Would that be an appropriate source of opinion?
- forgotoldacc 1y ago
  In 2025, self-perceived contrarian voters are making up a larger and larger voting block and would be eager to have a machine made in Russia make decisions for their country.
bigstrat2003 1y ago
Because they do not have any intelligence and just predict next tokens, which is a crappy method for determining answers. Because they are not deterministic and can (and will) give different people different answers, and even the same person different answers at different times. Because, in short, LLMs suck as tools and shouldn't be relied upon for anything important.

random9749832 1y ago

>But why can it not be used to inform people? Because it is biased. You are essentially giving up your decision making to people who don't even live in the same country as you. You wouldn't use it if it were trained in Russia.

constantcrying 1y ago
>Because it is biased. But so are most pieces of opinion journalism. What is the distinction here? >You are essentially giving up your decision making to people who don't even live in the same country as you. I am sure that your opinion does not depend on the country of origin. Should Dutch people not read German or English Media covering election issues? Would your argument not apply to the US, where the models were trained? Why should voters be allowed to get opinions from journalists and not from LLMs. Certainly journalists have a bias and often make arguments that certain parties should be supported over others. Why is it not fine if an LLM does that? What I am asking of you is an actual reason these LLMs should be treated as distinct from a piece of opinion journalism.
- random9749832 1y ago
  >But so are most pieces of opinion journalism. What is the distinction here? I gave you the distinction. If you don't think there is anything wrong with outside actors influencing your country's direction with black box models on unknown training data and fine-tuning under the brand of "intelligence" then we simply have different beliefs.
  - constantcrying 1y ago
    The German mainstream center left Media has been warning about the rise of the far right PVV, many Dutch people speak German and German magazines are being sold in the Netherlands. Should these Dutch people not read these magazines, should politicians warn voters against reading these German magazines? To me this does not seem sensible. And another question: supposing a LLM 100% trained in the Netherlands was in use. Would that be an appropriate source of opinion?
forgotoldacc 1y ago
In 2025, self-perceived contrarian voters are making up a larger and larger voting block and would be eager to have a machine made in Russia make decisions for their country.

bigstrat2003 1y ago

Because they do not have any intelligence and just predict next tokens, which is a crappy method for determining answers. Because they are not deterministic and can (and will) give different people different answers, and even the same person different answers at different times. Because, in short, LLMs suck as tools and shouldn't be relied upon for anything important.