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So does South Africa. However, capable administrators are severely lacking.
by thatguy27 1y ago
So does South Africa. However, capable administrators are severely lacking.
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- afavour 1y agoIf I was looking to cite evidence that South Africa has a racist past I'm not sure stadium chants would be my _first_ example...
- femiagbabiaka 1y agoOne of the main figures lionized in that song (which is an anti-colonialist chant to be clear) is a white guy, Joe Slovo. These people are unserious.
- mothballed 1y agoJoe Slovo isn't Boer; of course he has no problem with Kill the Boer as he allied himself with the ANC againts the Boer. Being white doesn't excuse you from tribalism/racism.
- femiagbabiaka 1y agoTribalism is not when you colonize a country and terrorize the former residents from centuries. Tribalism is when your multi-racial coalition pens a song expressing their rage at said terror. I understand now, priors updated.
- FredPret 1y agoAre you familiar with South Africa? There's at least a dozen different tribes, of which only two are white. There's been inter-tribal violence between all of them since time immemorial leading up to today.
- femiagbabiaka 1y agoAre you? Because I don't know a single South African who would describe historical intertribal violence and Dutch colonialism and apartheid as basically the same thing.
- FredPret 1y agoYour argument was "there's no tribalism except what the whites brought to South Africa", remember? And elsewhere you say that because of this, violence against white South Africans are justified. This is not only insane, but simply historically incorrect. I'm going to stop replying to you now (apparently there's a "HN Blocklist" Chrome addon!) but feel free to keep justifying calls for political and ethnic violence. It should make interesting reading for others in the decades to come.
- femiagbabiaka 1y ago> replies to my comment > gets a bunch of basic facts wrong > stomps off, hits block button The apartheid fans are not bringing their best I'm afraid.
- antonvs 1y ago> The apartheid fans are not bringing their best I'm afraid. Oh believe me, they are.
- FredPret 1y agoIt's "anti-colonialist" in the sense that it encourages the mass murder of the descendants of the original colonialists. I don't know the US well enough to give you an exact equivalent, but "shoot the WASP" might be more or less the same thing. It wouldn't be any better if the same song sang the praises of a white member of the Weather Underground.
- femiagbabiaka 1y agoSave me the pearl clutching. The song was penned by people living directly under the thumb of those poor innocent descendants and waging an active battle for their freedom. You'd even deny them their rage against those directly culpable for their oppression.
- FredPret 1y agoPoor innocent descendants -> I did not call them poor, or innocent. Deny rage -> of course not. I'd be furious too. But singing songs like "bring my machine gun" and "shoot people from that ethnic group" just aren't justified, especially since South Africa has been a democracy for decades now.
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- femiagbabiaka 1y agoWho are you to say what is justified?
- FredPret 1y agoMoral relativism at its finest. Turn away now, because this is a dead end my friend. "ethnic cleansing is justified if the violence goes the way I prefer" is the red flag of all red flags.
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- tartuffe78 1y agoI feel like there is some other racism South Africa might be infamous for...
- MSFT_Edging 1y agoActual race-based apartheid ended 9 years after the first Windows release. The Boer in question were the people enforcing apartheid for generations. They're also still the majority land-owners in South Africa due to the apartheid system. As of 2017 it was around 73% of Agricultural land owned by the beneficiaries of Apartheid. I'm sorry but you can't just cry foul when your racism record setting attempt falls apart in the age of the internet and the victims hold a grudge.