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> Elon Musk sometimes say things that are true. Has this ever happened in the last 10 years?

by askl 1y ago

a4isms 1y ago
He has often said things that are true, provided you ignore the ten to twenty times he said something else about the same subject with equal confidence. He is a master of goalpost relocation. Ask any Cybertruck owner. He shipped it, but was it the Cybertruck he promised?
destitude 1y ago
Catching of a booster which everyone else thought was the stupidest craziest thing ever and they did it on first try.
- Forgeties79 1y ago
  If people can constantly attack Steve Jobs for “just being an idea guy” while Wozniak did all the work, I think we can all agree that Elon Musk deserves (at most) limited credit for the amazing engineering achievement one of his several companies/projects accomplished. Especially given the overlap with his several-months-long stint being a Trump groupie and proudly taking a chainsaw to the US government. Yes his vision and direction matters. But let’s not act like the dude did that himself. Especially while he was so distracted having his nose up Trump’s proverbial rear.
  - boxed 1y ago
    And yet, no other rocket company has done anything close. And no other car company has made such radical differences in the market as Tesla. Again: you must be able to keep two things in your head at once. I understand that Elon is an absolute ass, but also that he has made several incredible (literally!) things happen. Give credit where credit is due, and give blame where blame is do. Don't confuse the two.
    - Forgeties79 1y ago
      > you must be able to keep two things in your head at once You need to stop saying this it is incredibly rude and patronizing. I specifically pointed this out the first time you said it, so I can only assume you’re doing it intentionally at this point out of disrespect.
      - boxed 1y ago
        I'm doing it because you are failing to do so. Blatantly.
        Forgeties79 1y ago
        You can’t talk to people like this and I won’t be engaging with you further. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
brightball 1y ago
What questions do you have following the results of Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink, Neuralink, etc? I've got a HW4 Tesla Model 3 right now and the FSD experience is so good I use it constantly...and I was one of those "I will never trust self driving cars" people for years.
- Forgeties79 1y ago
  >Tesla His rapidly deteriorating market share in Europe and basically anything cybertruck related >SpaceX The contract they had that just reopened for bidding >neuralink Haven’t they stopped human trials because they were running into serious issues? I feel like I read something about that but I can’t recall the exact nature of the issue. >starlink Pretty sure the Canadian government abandoned their big contract with starlink. A cursory Google search shows that “several governments and organizations have paused or canceled their contracts.” AI summary so should probably be investigated more in depth but I imagine it’s largely accurate. I see that his hyperloop company didn’t make the list, which went belly up just a year or two ago. Robotaxi was shut down in Phoenix after all sorts of safety issues arose. Several major projects have stalled or been shut down over the last few years.
  - brightball 1y ago
    Tesla stock price has never been higher… SpaceX accounts for over 90% of global space launch payloads. Neuralink…this is from Oct 10th. https://x.com/neuralink/status/1976803020190236915?s=46 https://x.com/neuralink/status/1976803020190236915?s=46 Starlink is changing the world, airlines, cruises, rural areas and defeated Russian interference in Ukraine. They lost contracts in Canada due to short sited political motivations who were willing to waste 3 times as much tax payer funds because of it. Starlink is doing great.
    - Forgeties79 1y ago
      Glad to see neuralink is working. Truly. Of all the projects he’s involved in that one and SpaceX are two I am actively rooting for and hope succeed. Stock prices =/= their sales aren’t plummeting in Europe. You asked what questions we had, my question is “what is he going to do about their reputation in countries that care about his unhinged behavior as it’s clearly effecting their sales?” Also, we’re both on HN. We both know that stock price does not directly correlate with the health of a business. Starlink was withheld from Ukraine early in the war at an incredibly critical time in case you forgot - he literally dictated where they could and couldn’t use the service (denied access in Crimea for drone operations). Should musk be unilaterally deciding the fate of Ukraine’s military operations, without warning at that? I hope we both agree the answer is “no.” And whether it’s short sighted or not the contracts Starlink lost were to the tune of 9 figures. You blame “short sighted” political motivations, I blame a ketamine-addled fickle billionaire who can’t keep his impulses in check. He consistently acts like a petulant, drunk child. We’ve seen it over and over again. You ignored half the companies/projects I mentioned.
boxed 1y ago
Come now. Are you really saying that this is a lie: > The nice thing is, if you’ve got friends in different cities and they’re playing the same game, you can both go online at the same time and play the game together even though you’re in different cities. Of course he says true things. And on purpose too! (Unlike Trump :P) https://www.rev.com/transcripts/elon-musk-interview-with-don-lemon#:~:text=The%20nice%20thing%20is%2C%20if%20you%E2%80%99ve%20got%20friends%20in%20different%20cities%20and%20they%E2%80%99re%20playing%20the%20same%20game%2C%20you%20can%20both%20go%20online%20at%20the%20same%20time%20and%20play%20the%20game%20together%20even%20though%20you%E2%80%99re%20in%20different%20cities. https://www.rev.com/transcripts/elon-musk-interview-with-don...

> Elon Musk sometimes say things that are true. Has this ever happened in the last 10 years?

by askl 1y ago

> Elon Musk sometimes say things that are true. Has this ever happened in the last 10 years?

He has often said things that are true, provided you ignore the ten to twenty times he said something else about the same subject with equal confidence. He is a master of goalpost relocation. Ask any Cybertruck owner. He shipped it, but was it the Cybertruck he promised?

destitude 1y ago

Catching of a booster which everyone else thought was the stupidest craziest thing ever and they did it on first try.

Forgeties79 1y ago
If people can constantly attack Steve Jobs for “just being an idea guy” while Wozniak did all the work, I think we can all agree that Elon Musk deserves (at most) limited credit for the amazing engineering achievement one of his several companies/projects accomplished. Especially given the overlap with his several-months-long stint being a Trump groupie and proudly taking a chainsaw to the US government. Yes his vision and direction matters. But let’s not act like the dude did that himself. Especially while he was so distracted having his nose up Trump’s proverbial rear.
- boxed 1y ago
  And yet, no other rocket company has done anything close. And no other car company has made such radical differences in the market as Tesla. Again: you must be able to keep two things in your head at once. I understand that Elon is an absolute ass, but also that he has made several incredible (literally!) things happen. Give credit where credit is due, and give blame where blame is do. Don't confuse the two.
  - Forgeties79 1y ago
    > you must be able to keep two things in your head at once You need to stop saying this it is incredibly rude and patronizing. I specifically pointed this out the first time you said it, so I can only assume you’re doing it intentionally at this point out of disrespect.
    - boxed 1y ago
      I'm doing it because you are failing to do so. Blatantly.
      - Forgeties79 1y ago
        You can’t talk to people like this and I won’t be engaging with you further. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

brightball 1y ago

What questions do you have following the results of Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink, Neuralink, etc? I've got a HW4 Tesla Model 3 right now and the FSD experience is so good I use it constantly...and I was one of those "I will never trust self driving cars" people for years.

Forgeties79 1y ago
>Tesla His rapidly deteriorating market share in Europe and basically anything cybertruck related >SpaceX The contract they had that just reopened for bidding >neuralink Haven’t they stopped human trials because they were running into serious issues? I feel like I read something about that but I can’t recall the exact nature of the issue. >starlink Pretty sure the Canadian government abandoned their big contract with starlink. A cursory Google search shows that “several governments and organizations have paused or canceled their contracts.” AI summary so should probably be investigated more in depth but I imagine it’s largely accurate. I see that his hyperloop company didn’t make the list, which went belly up just a year or two ago. Robotaxi was shut down in Phoenix after all sorts of safety issues arose. Several major projects have stalled or been shut down over the last few years.
- brightball 1y ago
  Tesla stock price has never been higher… SpaceX accounts for over 90% of global space launch payloads. Neuralink…this is from Oct 10th. https://x.com/neuralink/status/1976803020190236915?s=46 https://x.com/neuralink/status/1976803020190236915?s=46 Starlink is changing the world, airlines, cruises, rural areas and defeated Russian interference in Ukraine. They lost contracts in Canada due to short sited political motivations who were willing to waste 3 times as much tax payer funds because of it. Starlink is doing great.
  - Forgeties79 1y ago
    Glad to see neuralink is working. Truly. Of all the projects he’s involved in that one and SpaceX are two I am actively rooting for and hope succeed. Stock prices =/= their sales aren’t plummeting in Europe. You asked what questions we had, my question is “what is he going to do about their reputation in countries that care about his unhinged behavior as it’s clearly effecting their sales?” Also, we’re both on HN. We both know that stock price does not directly correlate with the health of a business. Starlink was withheld from Ukraine early in the war at an incredibly critical time in case you forgot - he literally dictated where they could and couldn’t use the service (denied access in Crimea for drone operations). Should musk be unilaterally deciding the fate of Ukraine’s military operations, without warning at that? I hope we both agree the answer is “no.” And whether it’s short sighted or not the contracts Starlink lost were to the tune of 9 figures. You blame “short sighted” political motivations, I blame a ketamine-addled fickle billionaire who can’t keep his impulses in check. He consistently acts like a petulant, drunk child. We’ve seen it over and over again. You ignored half the companies/projects I mentioned.

boxed 1y ago

Come now. Are you really saying that this is a lie: > The nice thing is, if you’ve got friends in different cities and they’re playing the same game, you can both go online at the same time and play the game together even though you’re in different cities. Of course he says true things. And on purpose too! (Unlike Trump :P) https://www.rev.com/transcripts/elon-musk-interview-with-don-lemon#:~:text=The%20nice%20thing%20is%2C%20if%20you%E2%80%99ve%20got%20friends%20in%20different%20cities%20and%20they%E2%80%99re%20playing%20the%20same%20game%2C%20you%20can%20both%20go%20online%20at%20the%20same%20time%20and%20play%20the%20game%20together%20even%20though%20you%E2%80%99re%20in%20different%20cities. https://www.rev.com/transcripts/elon-musk-interview-with-don...