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Just to balance this article. HW3 owner. Car drives really good on FSD as for 5 years old car , it’s not even close to anything that was on the market , I stil

by maxdo 1y ago

Just to balance this article. HW3 owner. Car drives really good on FSD as for 5 years old car , it’s not even close to anything that was on the market , I still receive updates . Any short trip or long trip when I’m lazy I simply turn it on, and it works perfect 99% of the time. Both highway and local roads. When I’m in the gym and it’s raining or snowing , I press the button and car actually comes to me. It used to be broken now they fixed it. It recently also start to park itself after fsd route is over. How awesome is that for a 5 years old car ?? Why should I be upset ? Do I want free hardware ? Sure . Is $7k I paid a fair price ? Yeah . go check modern offering from any other company . They charge you comparable price for way less functionality. In the world where bmw tries to charge you every month for heated seats , I think it’s a fair price. Oh yeah , I live in New York , I use fsd almost daily for 5+ years . In this very busy setup 0 accidents . Which is rare even for an experienced human driver.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Why should I be upset ? You shouldn't. If you're happy, enjoy it and move on. Others being upset doesn't negate your right to be happy. Just as your experience doesn't negate someone being upset about feeling they were lied to. > I live in New York , I use fsd almost daily for 5+ years . In this very busy setup 0 accidents . Which is rare even for an experienced human driver FSD was sold as Waymo. Unsupervised. Tesla is unable to match that capability on its newest hardware so far.
ramzez 1y ago
here in the uk, I paid and we don't even have FSD yet
- olelele 1y ago
  Because the UK has more reasonable traffic safety regulations?
matthewdgreen 1y ago
I'm a 2018 model year owner who also paid for FSD. The current FSD is not "fine" or "FSD" at all. It requires constant monitoring because one out of every 50-100 decisions will be problematic. Even the highway driving (autopilot), which was great initially, has recently degraded in quality: now it's much harder to get it to consistently stay in one lane or choose the speed I want to go. Tesla knows the current FSD isn't fine; if it was, they wouldn't be upgrading the hardware to handle bigger models. So there's nothing surprising about expecting Tesla to deliver the same hardware to people who already paid them for the product they're still trying to deliver. If you're satisfied not receiving the full product you paid for, that's fine, of course. Heck, you're free to write Tesla a donation check. But Tesla should deliver the product (or a refund) to those who aren't.
- vardump 1y ago
  "Even the highway driving (autopilot), which was great initially, has recently degraded in quality" Are you sure it's not a hardware or calibration issue? Disclaimer: I don't own a Tesla, but I'm just pointing out that it could also be a hardware issue.
  - matthewdgreen 1y ago
    They changed the features of the system considerably. It used to let you set the speed and handle manually-initiated lane changes. Then they started having it initiate lane changes on its own; because this was annoying, they added a “minimize lane changes” feature. Then (and I think this coincides with “FSD” being released to customers who opted in) they removed that minimize option and replaced it with an entirely new system with different modes, one of which is called “Hurry”. This combines aggressive lane changing with speed choices, but the speed never seems to be quite what you want it to be (manual control is gone.) This isn’t unique to my car: if you search for complaints on Reddit and Tesla forums you’ll find plenty.
  - shagie 1y ago
    (Not a Tesla owner... so going based on what I recall reading) Tesla originally had radar sensors in their earlier hardware models. This sensor not included in later hardware models and later software disabled the sensor inputs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot_hardware https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot_hardware > Starting in 2021, Tesla stopped installing the radar sensor in new vehicles, and the ADAS was updated to drop radar support. In 2022, Tesla announced it also would drop support for the ultrasonic sensors, moving the ADAS to an all-visual system. The most recent sensor and computer implementation is Hardware 4, which began shipping in January 2023. https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/179j7es/disable_front_radar_sensors/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/179j7es/disabl... https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-wants-to-physically-disable-front-radar-in-my-2022-model-s-for-tesla-vision.298831/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-wants-to-physi... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34153636 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34153636 ... So it's quite possible it's a hardware issue in that Tesla disabled that hardware and no longer supports it.
stetrain 1y ago
It can be best in the market and still not what was promised. Tesla has gained part of their stock valuation and customer base over the years by promising Level 5 FSD. As in, you can sleep while the car drives you to work, or the car can go make money for you as a Robotaxi on the Tesla Network when you aren't using it. They haven't delivered those things which they have been promising to customers since 2016.
runako 1y ago
> They charge you comparable price for way less functionality. BYD's comparable offering is generally free/included in the car's price. Separately, I can't believe we are still discussing a product called "Full Self Driving" that is not "full self driving." Paying big companies to lie to us is not a recipe for building a better world.
- burnerthrow008 1y ago
  BYD does not offer a comparable offering in America.
- rebolek 1y ago
  We stopped building a better world long time ago. Now we're building better value for shareholders.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  In China only.
dvrj101 1y ago
Article clearly mentions multiple lawsuits in multiple countries, by what common sense one guy's experience unrelated to fake promises made by company will balance the article.
JKCalhoun 1y ago
> and it works perfect 99% of the time Ha ha, you're not really selling it for me.
croes 1y ago
You do realize that even a Ponzi scheme has satisfied customers? That balances nothing
beAbU 1y ago
99% is not good enough. Not even close. Are you saying that for every ~1.5h of driving there is a minute where the car could go full an hero on you?

by maxdo 1y ago

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> Why should I be upset ? You shouldn't. If you're happy, enjoy it and move on. Others being upset doesn't negate your right to be happy. Just as your experience doesn't negate someone being upset about feeling they were lied to. > I live in New York , I use fsd almost daily for 5+ years . In this very busy setup 0 accidents . Which is rare even for an experienced human driver FSD was sold as Waymo. Unsupervised. Tesla is unable to match that capability on its newest hardware so far.

ramzez 1y ago

here in the uk, I paid and we don't even have FSD yet

olelele 1y ago
Because the UK has more reasonable traffic safety regulations?

matthewdgreen 1y ago

I'm a 2018 model year owner who also paid for FSD. The current FSD is not "fine" or "FSD" at all. It requires constant monitoring because one out of every 50-100 decisions will be problematic. Even the highway driving (autopilot), which was great initially, has recently degraded in quality: now it's much harder to get it to consistently stay in one lane or choose the speed I want to go. Tesla knows the current FSD isn't fine; if it was, they wouldn't be upgrading the hardware to handle bigger models. So there's nothing surprising about expecting Tesla to deliver the same hardware to people who already paid them for the product they're still trying to deliver. If you're satisfied not receiving the full product you paid for, that's fine, of course. Heck, you're free to write Tesla a donation check. But Tesla should deliver the product (or a refund) to those who aren't.

vardump 1y ago
"Even the highway driving (autopilot), which was great initially, has recently degraded in quality" Are you sure it's not a hardware or calibration issue? Disclaimer: I don't own a Tesla, but I'm just pointing out that it could also be a hardware issue.
- matthewdgreen 1y ago
  They changed the features of the system considerably. It used to let you set the speed and handle manually-initiated lane changes. Then they started having it initiate lane changes on its own; because this was annoying, they added a “minimize lane changes” feature. Then (and I think this coincides with “FSD” being released to customers who opted in) they removed that minimize option and replaced it with an entirely new system with different modes, one of which is called “Hurry”. This combines aggressive lane changing with speed choices, but the speed never seems to be quite what you want it to be (manual control is gone.) This isn’t unique to my car: if you search for complaints on Reddit and Tesla forums you’ll find plenty.
- shagie 1y ago
  (Not a Tesla owner... so going based on what I recall reading) Tesla originally had radar sensors in their earlier hardware models. This sensor not included in later hardware models and later software disabled the sensor inputs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot_hardware https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot_hardware > Starting in 2021, Tesla stopped installing the radar sensor in new vehicles, and the ADAS was updated to drop radar support. In 2022, Tesla announced it also would drop support for the ultrasonic sensors, moving the ADAS to an all-visual system. The most recent sensor and computer implementation is Hardware 4, which began shipping in January 2023. https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/179j7es/disable_front_radar_sensors/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/179j7es/disabl... https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-wants-to-physically-disable-front-radar-in-my-2022-model-s-for-tesla-vision.298831/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-wants-to-physi... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34153636 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34153636 ... So it's quite possible it's a hardware issue in that Tesla disabled that hardware and no longer supports it.

stetrain 1y ago

It can be best in the market and still not what was promised. Tesla has gained part of their stock valuation and customer base over the years by promising Level 5 FSD. As in, you can sleep while the car drives you to work, or the car can go make money for you as a Robotaxi on the Tesla Network when you aren't using it. They haven't delivered those things which they have been promising to customers since 2016.

runako 1y ago

> They charge you comparable price for way less functionality. BYD's comparable offering is generally free/included in the car's price. Separately, I can't believe we are still discussing a product called "Full Self Driving" that is not "full self driving." Paying big companies to lie to us is not a recipe for building a better world.

burnerthrow008 1y ago
BYD does not offer a comparable offering in America.
rebolek 1y ago
We stopped building a better world long time ago. Now we're building better value for shareholders.
dzhiurgis 1y ago
In China only.

dvrj101 1y ago

Article clearly mentions multiple lawsuits in multiple countries, by what common sense one guy's experience unrelated to fake promises made by company will balance the article.

JKCalhoun 1y ago

> and it works perfect 99% of the time Ha ha, you're not really selling it for me.

croes 1y ago

You do realize that even a Ponzi scheme has satisfied customers? That balances nothing

beAbU 1y ago

99% is not good enough. Not even close. Are you saying that for every ~1.5h of driving there is a minute where the car could go full an hero on you?