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Every time Elon made an FSD prediction on stage live, you could see Andrej wincing in the background. You could tell Andrej was going along with what hiss boss

Every time Elon made an FSD prediction on stage live, you could see Andrej wincing in the background. You could tell Andrej was going along with what hiss boss said, but didn't believe it himself.

skeeter2020 1y ago
I don't think that absolves him from any of the scorn though. In fact it might make his shortcoming even worse.
- ben_w 1y ago
  Absolve? No. Even worse? Nah, the judgement of someone in their 20s should be assumed poor.
  - mcmcmc 1y ago
    And yet VCs throw hundreds of millions of dollars at startup founders in their 20s every year
    - geodel 1y ago
      Yeah, because it works as law of probability not law of physics. So out of ten thousand immature 20s a dozen may be very good making something that generate lot of wealth and immaturity in those cases might be helping not hurting them.
    - ben_w 1y ago
      That reflects worse on the VCs than on the founders, IMO.
    - mnky9800n 1y ago
      you would think there could be a better way to do it.
      - jimbo808 1y ago
        There are many ways to do it. How good of a way it is depends on what the market rate is for a 20 something possible unicorn/probable dud. People in that age range sometimes have a nice set of traits like youthful self confidence and the energy levels needed to bust their ass and sell, along with the right amount insecurity that will drive them to need to prove themselves. When you combine this with the naivety and inexperience that lets you get a lopsided deal, with your experience that means that doesn’t happen to them after you, you end up in a situation where you can afford to have 10 or 20 duds between each winner. And it’s a lot of fun.
    - rhubarbtree 1y ago
      I think (from personal experience) that they do this because 20 year olds have few responsibilities, which means they can work longer hours and take more risks. It’s not “energy” because productivity of older more experienced founders is bound to be higher. Rather, younger inexperienced founders have to compensate for their lower productivity by increased hours. I’d say overall the risk factor is more important, because married folks with kids have to worry about losing their job and finding another one a lot more. If your spouse isn’t working or is on reduced income, you have to prioritise job safety. The only way out of that for older founders is to be rich, and that’s an advantage in general no matter the age. In the UK many founders are highly privileged and can take risks because there is little downside for them. There’s definitely a gap in the market for a VC that invests in experienced founders with more tolerance for moving more slowly but with higher quality results. Deep tech is one area this would work.
  - senordevnyc 1y ago
    He was born in 1986, so he was almost 31 when he joined Tesla in 2017. By the time he left, he was almost 36.
    - ben_w 1y ago
      Thanks, I'd misunderstood from people saying "15 years" old predictions.
- moralestapia 1y ago
  Absolutely. There's a funny but very crude saying in Slovakia, which where he's from so he might know it, lol. I cannot write it here for obvious reasons but it's related to letting people do things to you for money ... As others have pointed out, there were a lot of incentives ($$$) for Krapathy to behave like that during his tenure at Tesla.
pilingual 1y ago
https://youtu.be/FnFksQo-yEY?t=1357 https://youtu.be/FnFksQo-yEY?t=1357
- daveguy 1y ago
  Hm. Is Karpathy the fool who convinced Musk that the best sensing technology (lidar) shouldn't be used? That is disappointing. I like Karpathy and always thought the cameras-only mistake came from Musk as chief fool.
  - JKCalhoun 1y ago
    It's impossible to know from this data point alone if Karpathy was a leader in this regard, convincing Musk, or if he was tapped to be merely the enabler. (I definitely like Karpathy 2.0 better though.)
    - jimbo808 1y ago
      Karpathy was in charge of the autonomous driving unit, while Elon was in charge of playing video games, calling random people on Twitter pedos, making flamethrowers, poaching a bunch of NASA engineers and selling them back to the government, digging holes, gaslighting us about the Hyperloop, and uhhh... yeah, too busy to have been super hands on with this I'd imagine.

Every time Elon made an FSD prediction on stage live, you could see Andrej wincing in the background. You could tell Andrej was going along with what hiss boss said, but didn't believe it himself.

skeeter2020 1y ago

I don't think that absolves him from any of the scorn though. In fact it might make his shortcoming even worse.

ben_w 1y ago
Absolve? No. Even worse? Nah, the judgement of someone in their 20s should be assumed poor.
- mcmcmc 1y ago
  And yet VCs throw hundreds of millions of dollars at startup founders in their 20s every year
  - geodel 1y ago
    Yeah, because it works as law of probability not law of physics. So out of ten thousand immature 20s a dozen may be very good making something that generate lot of wealth and immaturity in those cases might be helping not hurting them.
  - ben_w 1y ago
    That reflects worse on the VCs than on the founders, IMO.
  - mnky9800n 1y ago
    you would think there could be a better way to do it.
    - jimbo808 1y ago
      There are many ways to do it. How good of a way it is depends on what the market rate is for a 20 something possible unicorn/probable dud. People in that age range sometimes have a nice set of traits like youthful self confidence and the energy levels needed to bust their ass and sell, along with the right amount insecurity that will drive them to need to prove themselves. When you combine this with the naivety and inexperience that lets you get a lopsided deal, with your experience that means that doesn’t happen to them after you, you end up in a situation where you can afford to have 10 or 20 duds between each winner. And it’s a lot of fun.
  - rhubarbtree 1y ago
    I think (from personal experience) that they do this because 20 year olds have few responsibilities, which means they can work longer hours and take more risks. It’s not “energy” because productivity of older more experienced founders is bound to be higher. Rather, younger inexperienced founders have to compensate for their lower productivity by increased hours. I’d say overall the risk factor is more important, because married folks with kids have to worry about losing their job and finding another one a lot more. If your spouse isn’t working or is on reduced income, you have to prioritise job safety. The only way out of that for older founders is to be rich, and that’s an advantage in general no matter the age. In the UK many founders are highly privileged and can take risks because there is little downside for them. There’s definitely a gap in the market for a VC that invests in experienced founders with more tolerance for moving more slowly but with higher quality results. Deep tech is one area this would work.
- senordevnyc 1y ago
  He was born in 1986, so he was almost 31 when he joined Tesla in 2017. By the time he left, he was almost 36.
  - ben_w 1y ago
    Thanks, I'd misunderstood from people saying "15 years" old predictions.
moralestapia 1y ago
Absolutely. There's a funny but very crude saying in Slovakia, which where he's from so he might know it, lol. I cannot write it here for obvious reasons but it's related to letting people do things to you for money ... As others have pointed out, there were a lot of incentives ($$$) for Krapathy to behave like that during his tenure at Tesla.

pilingual 1y ago

https://youtu.be/FnFksQo-yEY?t=1357 https://youtu.be/FnFksQo-yEY?t=1357

daveguy 1y ago
Hm. Is Karpathy the fool who convinced Musk that the best sensing technology (lidar) shouldn't be used? That is disappointing. I like Karpathy and always thought the cameras-only mistake came from Musk as chief fool.
- JKCalhoun 1y ago
  It's impossible to know from this data point alone if Karpathy was a leader in this regard, convincing Musk, or if he was tapped to be merely the enabler. (I definitely like Karpathy 2.0 better though.)
  - jimbo808 1y ago
    Karpathy was in charge of the autonomous driving unit, while Elon was in charge of playing video games, calling random people on Twitter pedos, making flamethrowers, poaching a bunch of NASA engineers and selling them back to the government, digging holes, gaslighting us about the Hyperloop, and uhhh... yeah, too busy to have been super hands on with this I'd imagine.