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I have zero sympathy for any Tesla owner that believed anything from Elon's mouth. That's your own fault. Tesla has shown time and time again to be hostile to

I have zero sympathy for any Tesla owner that believed anything from Elon's mouth. That's your own fault. Tesla has shown time and time again to be hostile to its own customers in a variety of ways.

niek_pas 1y ago
Thankfully, there are actually laws about this sort of stuff! So companies don't (necessarily/always) just get away with "you shouldn't have listened to us, this is your own fault."
- bdcravens 1y ago
  Correct, but unless regulatory bodies proactively force Tesla to compensate, there at least has to be an effort from consumers to stand up, admit they were conned, and press the issue.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > there are least has to be an effort from consumers to stand up FTFA: "...thousands of Tesla owners have now joined a class action lawsuit in Australia over Tesla misleading customers with its self-driving promises. It adds to similar ongoing lawsuits in the US and China."
    - bdcravens 1y ago
      I was replying to a comment which seemed to imply that the law alone was adequate to prevent abuse of consumers.
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > the law alone Lawsuits.
        bdcravens 1y ago
        Lawsuits As in, you must file suit. The law alone is useless without consumers being proactive.
- array_key_first 1y ago
  I don't know man, the US is very wishy washy with laws at the moment. And all of this relies on Tesla customers going after Tesla. But people are poor, times are tough, ain't nobody got time for that. And of the people that do got time for that, a lot of them bought Teslas because of the vision. Or something. Not sure if those people would sue.
delecti 1y ago
Maybe that applies to people who believe something he says today, but a decade ago Musk's history as a grifter wasn't nearly as apparent. And like the other reply says "you got tricked and it's your fault" doesn't apply to false advertising or fraud laws.

I have zero sympathy for any Tesla owner that believed anything from Elon's mouth. That's your own fault. Tesla has shown time and time again to be hostile to its own customers in a variety of ways.

niek_pas 1y ago

Thankfully, there are actually laws about this sort of stuff! So companies don't (necessarily/always) just get away with "you shouldn't have listened to us, this is your own fault."

bdcravens 1y ago
Correct, but unless regulatory bodies proactively force Tesla to compensate, there at least has to be an effort from consumers to stand up, admit they were conned, and press the issue.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > there are least has to be an effort from consumers to stand up FTFA: "...thousands of Tesla owners have now joined a class action lawsuit in Australia over Tesla misleading customers with its self-driving promises. It adds to similar ongoing lawsuits in the US and China."
  - bdcravens 1y ago
    I was replying to a comment which seemed to imply that the law alone was adequate to prevent abuse of consumers.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > the law alone Lawsuits.
      - bdcravens 1y ago
        Lawsuits As in, you must file suit. The law alone is useless without consumers being proactive.
array_key_first 1y ago
I don't know man, the US is very wishy washy with laws at the moment. And all of this relies on Tesla customers going after Tesla. But people are poor, times are tough, ain't nobody got time for that. And of the people that do got time for that, a lot of them bought Teslas because of the vision. Or something. Not sure if those people would sue.

delecti 1y ago

Maybe that applies to people who believe something he says today, but a decade ago Musk's history as a grifter wasn't nearly as apparent. And like the other reply says "you got tricked and it's your fault" doesn't apply to false advertising or fraud laws.