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Remember seeing the news of the nationalization a few days back and combined with the newly imposed limits on mineral exports towards the US it feels like the E

Remember seeing the news of the nationalization a few days back and combined with the newly imposed limits on mineral exports towards the US it feels like the EU will finally have to fully decide if their allegiance will lie with China (BRICS) or the US going forward. I think the Ukraine war is going to be the thing that tips the scale unless peace and return of land is negotiated as part of EU aligning itself with BRICS. Makes me think that the US could purposefully delay peace talks to win over EU? The future will be really interesting. With the AWS outage yesterday the reliance on US for infrastructure is once again called into question. Could a new subspace within the internet be formed as the EU tries to break away?

deafpolygon 1y ago
wouldn’t brics favor russian takeover of ukraine? i’m fairly sure most of the eu won’t accept that.
- ____mr____ 1y ago
  Russia (supposedly) wants Ukraine because of the ever growing presence of NATO at its doorstep. EU aligning itself with BRICS would probably come with breaking away from NATO. However, I don't think this is the real reason Russia wants Ukraine and I don't think they could be persuaded into giving it up for the sake of bringing EU in. But it would be a way that EU would choose to align itself with China, which would diffuse this particular situation
  - deafpolygon 1y ago
    I doubt that aligning with China/Russia would defuse the particular situation around Ukraine. Putin has stated many times that he wants to reassert dominance over the former states of USSR.
  - general1465 1y ago
    > EU aligning itself with BRICS would probably come with breaking away from NATO Never gonna happen. Eastern Europeans have massive hate boner for Russia, because they were effectively colonized for 40 years as "Eastern Block" and Putin is trying to repeat that. > Russia (supposedly) wants Ukraine because of the ever growing presence of NATO at its doorstep. Main point of division between Ukraine and Russia is the fact, that Ukrainians consider themselves as standalone nation, why Russians consider Ukrainians as part of Russia. As long as Ukraine or Ukrainians exists, (or as long as Russia is jingoistic state) there will be war between Russia and Ukraine. It is a repeated narrative for last 300 years.
  - consumer451 1y ago
    The reason that Moscow wants Ukraine (and all other neighbors) is because Moscow has reverted back to a 19th century imperial/colonial mindset. I would normally qualify this type of statement as "just my take," but not in this case, as it is plain as day. They state it openly, and proudly. Meanwhile, many in the USA and Europe still twist themselves into knots trying to come up with a more rational explanation.
- csomar 1y ago
  > wouldn’t brics favor russian takeover of ukraine? Brics has no beef in this fight, especially if the US is no longer involved (US involvement could make Ukraine a proxy-terrain between China/US)

deafpolygon 1y ago

wouldn’t brics favor russian takeover of ukraine? i’m fairly sure most of the eu won’t accept that.

____mr____ 1y ago
Russia (supposedly) wants Ukraine because of the ever growing presence of NATO at its doorstep. EU aligning itself with BRICS would probably come with breaking away from NATO. However, I don't think this is the real reason Russia wants Ukraine and I don't think they could be persuaded into giving it up for the sake of bringing EU in. But it would be a way that EU would choose to align itself with China, which would diffuse this particular situation
- deafpolygon 1y ago
  I doubt that aligning with China/Russia would defuse the particular situation around Ukraine. Putin has stated many times that he wants to reassert dominance over the former states of USSR.
- general1465 1y ago
  > EU aligning itself with BRICS would probably come with breaking away from NATO Never gonna happen. Eastern Europeans have massive hate boner for Russia, because they were effectively colonized for 40 years as "Eastern Block" and Putin is trying to repeat that. > Russia (supposedly) wants Ukraine because of the ever growing presence of NATO at its doorstep. Main point of division between Ukraine and Russia is the fact, that Ukrainians consider themselves as standalone nation, why Russians consider Ukrainians as part of Russia. As long as Ukraine or Ukrainians exists, (or as long as Russia is jingoistic state) there will be war between Russia and Ukraine. It is a repeated narrative for last 300 years.
- consumer451 1y ago
  The reason that Moscow wants Ukraine (and all other neighbors) is because Moscow has reverted back to a 19th century imperial/colonial mindset. I would normally qualify this type of statement as "just my take," but not in this case, as it is plain as day. They state it openly, and proudly. Meanwhile, many in the USA and Europe still twist themselves into knots trying to come up with a more rational explanation.
csomar 1y ago
> wouldn’t brics favor russian takeover of ukraine? Brics has no beef in this fight, especially if the US is no longer involved (US involvement could make Ukraine a proxy-terrain between China/US)