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The time to address this productively was when “Autopilot” and “Full Self Driving” were announced. Tesla and Musk have been misleading customers for a decade no

The time to address this productively was when “Autopilot” and “Full Self Driving” were announced. Tesla and Musk have been misleading customers for a decade now, and the FTC and other regulatory agencies have done next to nothing about it. I’m not expecting a serious crackdown at this point, but I’m also constantly shocked at the folks who still buy into this fever dream.

jgalt212 1y ago
Fool me once, fool me n times...
CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
According to the article, it seems like Tesla didn't land in hot water until they started to push the same scam outside of the US (article is mostly about Australia I think), but seems like regulators might be getting some balls to do the same in the US soon as far as I can tell.
- baggachipz 1y ago
  > seems like regulators might be getting some balls to do the same in the US soon You must be new here. Kidding aside, the only reason they would do anything would be if Tesla doesn't sufficiently kiss the king's ring, which they did to the tune of $250 million quite recently. More payments will likely be required, but it's a cost of doing "business" these days.
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  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > More payments will likely be required, but it's a cost of doing "business" these days A "multi-billion-dollar iceberg" is literally referenced in the headline. Like, yes, if Tesla pays back all HW2 and HW3 FSD buyers their purchase plus interest, they should be fine.
    - baggachipz 1y ago
      I meant that the payments will be... fees... to the executive branch of the US government. Still large, but way less than having to make their customers whole. A protection racket by the president, that's what I'm saying. A protection racket.
  - CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
    > You must be new here. You too, as otherwise you surely would have at least skimmed the article before commenting :) > As we recently reported, thousands of Tesla owners have now joined a class action lawsuit in Australia[1] over Tesla misleading customers with its self-driving promises. > It adds to similar ongoing lawsuits in the US[2] and China[3] . 1 - https://electrek.co/2025/10/13/thousands-of-tesla-owners-join-class-action-lawsuit-over-full-self-driving-in-australia/ https://electrek.co/2025/10/13/thousands-of-tesla-owners-joi... 2 - https://electrek.co/2025/08/19/tesla-loses-bid-to-kill-class-action-over-misleading-customers-on-self-driving-capabilities-for-years/ https://electrek.co/2025/08/19/tesla-loses-bid-to-kill-class... 3 - (https://electrek.co/2025/09/22/tesla-being-sued-china-over-not-delivering-self-driving-hw3-cars/ https://electrek.co/2025/09/22/tesla-being-sued-china-over-n...)
    - baggachipz 1y ago
      My point was that the regulators aren't doing anything, and it requires a class action suit to do anything. Were regulators doing their job, they'd force Tesla to refund those who got scammed. Instead, a class action settlement MAY be reached and those who got scammed will get their check for $25 or whatever.
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zozbot234 1y ago
AIUI "Autopilot" and "Full Self Driving" were always just SAE Level 2, although arguably a more full-featured implementation of that SAE level than other automakers. Which means you must pay attention to the road at all times (i.e. you're still very much driving!) and the car provides enhanced cruise control and lane following.
- stetrain 1y ago
  But FSD was promised to be Level 5, eventually, just as soon as Tesla can get regulatory approval. This has been the case since they started charging for the package back in 2016.
  - anonymars 1y ago
    Exactly, the name is literally Full Self Driving
    - zozbot234 1y ago
      Well, in practice that clearly stands for "you must be Fully Driving the car yourSelf". Totally checks out. Even SAE Level 4 for Tesla FSD is very much not there yet, let alone Level 5 (unattended full autonomy).
      - anonymars 1y ago
        Ha, touché. After all, it doesn't say who the "self" is... Reminds me of "No, money down!" (https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/382750775/Simpsons-Lionel-Hutz-works-on-contigency-no-money-down https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/382750775/Simpsons-Lionel-H...)

jgalt212 1y ago

Fool me once, fool me n times...

CaptainOfCoit 1y ago

According to the article, it seems like Tesla didn't land in hot water until they started to push the same scam outside of the US (article is mostly about Australia I think), but seems like regulators might be getting some balls to do the same in the US soon as far as I can tell.

baggachipz 1y ago
> seems like regulators might be getting some balls to do the same in the US soon You must be new here. Kidding aside, the only reason they would do anything would be if Tesla doesn't sufficiently kiss the king's ring, which they did to the tune of $250 million quite recently. More payments will likely be required, but it's a cost of doing "business" these days.
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- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > More payments will likely be required, but it's a cost of doing "business" these days A "multi-billion-dollar iceberg" is literally referenced in the headline. Like, yes, if Tesla pays back all HW2 and HW3 FSD buyers their purchase plus interest, they should be fine.
  - baggachipz 1y ago
    I meant that the payments will be... fees... to the executive branch of the US government. Still large, but way less than having to make their customers whole. A protection racket by the president, that's what I'm saying. A protection racket.
- CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
  > You must be new here. You too, as otherwise you surely would have at least skimmed the article before commenting :) > As we recently reported, thousands of Tesla owners have now joined a class action lawsuit in Australia[1] over Tesla misleading customers with its self-driving promises. > It adds to similar ongoing lawsuits in the US[2] and China[3] . 1 - https://electrek.co/2025/10/13/thousands-of-tesla-owners-join-class-action-lawsuit-over-full-self-driving-in-australia/ https://electrek.co/2025/10/13/thousands-of-tesla-owners-joi... 2 - https://electrek.co/2025/08/19/tesla-loses-bid-to-kill-class-action-over-misleading-customers-on-self-driving-capabilities-for-years/ https://electrek.co/2025/08/19/tesla-loses-bid-to-kill-class... 3 - (https://electrek.co/2025/09/22/tesla-being-sued-china-over-not-delivering-self-driving-hw3-cars/ https://electrek.co/2025/09/22/tesla-being-sued-china-over-n...)
  - baggachipz 1y ago
    My point was that the regulators aren't doing anything, and it requires a class action suit to do anything. Were regulators doing their job, they'd force Tesla to refund those who got scammed. Instead, a class action settlement MAY be reached and those who got scammed will get their check for $25 or whatever.

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zozbot234 1y ago

AIUI "Autopilot" and "Full Self Driving" were always just SAE Level 2, although arguably a more full-featured implementation of that SAE level than other automakers. Which means you must pay attention to the road at all times (i.e. you're still very much driving!) and the car provides enhanced cruise control and lane following.

stetrain 1y ago
But FSD was promised to be Level 5, eventually, just as soon as Tesla can get regulatory approval. This has been the case since they started charging for the package back in 2016.
- anonymars 1y ago
  Exactly, the name is literally Full Self Driving
  - zozbot234 1y ago
    Well, in practice that clearly stands for "you must be Fully Driving the car yourSelf". Totally checks out. Even SAE Level 4 for Tesla FSD is very much not there yet, let alone Level 5 (unattended full autonomy).
    - anonymars 1y ago
      Ha, touché. After all, it doesn't say who the "self" is... Reminds me of "No, money down!" (https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/382750775/Simpsons-Lionel-Hutz-works-on-contigency-no-money-down https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/382750775/Simpsons-Lionel-H...)