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> Tesla needs to offer all HW3 owners a $5,000 loyalty discount, that goes on top of all other incentive program, when upgrading to a new car. Is it just me, o

> Tesla needs to offer all HW3 owners a $5,000 loyalty discount, that goes on top of all other incentive program, when upgrading to a new car. Is it just me, or does that seem backwards? If I purchased something with a specific feature, or promised future feature, and 5 years later it's still nowhere to be seen, I don't want a coupon for "my next purchase", why would I buy from the same place after they already lied to me before? The only acceptable solution would be to get back the extra money spent for that feature.

chronci739 1y ago
> why would I buy from the same place after they already lied to me before? You are smarter than the repeat Tesla buyer.
baggachipz 1y ago
The only sane offer would be to give me my money back. They know how much I gave them, now give it back since you didn't deliver and I no longer have the car. Isn't it enough that I gave them an interest-free loan for all those years?
- fukka42 1y ago
  They should obviously pay interest, too.
  - baggachipz 1y ago
    In an ideal world. Instead, I expect a class action settlement and me receiving a check for $25.
brandonagr2 1y ago
Nowhere to be seen if your head is in the sand. There are robotaxi pilot programs running in two cities, FSD 14 is actively rolling out to customers, and my car drove me to work this morning on v13. I don't see any lies
- CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
  So you're saying the submission article is just straight up lies, or why the difference in experience?
- sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
  Have they taken the "safety operator" out of the "robotaxis" yet? Here's a handy compilation of Musk's self driving broken promises https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono...
- UltraSane 1y ago
  And no Tesla has EVER driven without a driver with Tesla assuming liability for crashes. And I don't think they ever will. Waymo assumes liability for crashes. Tesla doesn't. That should tell you all you need to know.
  - ggreer 1y ago
    I'm pretty sure Tesla assumed liability when they had a car deliver itself to a customer in Austin this year.[1] Also Tesla is an insurance provider in many states, and where it's legal to do so (Arizona & Texas currently), they offer discounts for using FSD more.[2] So they seem to be putting their money where their mouth is. Are you predicting that Tesla will never get rid of their safety drivers in their Robotaxis? Because as soon as that happens, won't your prediction be incorrect? That seems unlikely to me. Tesla is definitely behind Waymo when it comes to self-driving capabilities, but it seems like they'll eventually succeed. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU16hXSSGKs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU16hXSSGKs 2. https://www.tesla.com/support/insurance/fsd-discount https://www.tesla.com/support/insurance/fsd-discount
    - UltraSane 1y ago
      Did they though? That was clearly a one off stunt to pump the stock. "Are you predicting that Tesla will never get rid of their safety drivers in their Robotaxis?" That is exactly what I'm saying. Because vision only non-redundant technology stack is never going to be reliable enough. "Because as soon as that happens, won't your prediction be incorrect? " yes, that is how predictions work.

chronci739 1y ago

> why would I buy from the same place after they already lied to me before? You are smarter than the repeat Tesla buyer.

baggachipz 1y ago

The only sane offer would be to give me my money back. They know how much I gave them, now give it back since you didn't deliver and I no longer have the car. Isn't it enough that I gave them an interest-free loan for all those years?

fukka42 1y ago
They should obviously pay interest, too.
- baggachipz 1y ago
  In an ideal world. Instead, I expect a class action settlement and me receiving a check for $25.

brandonagr2 1y ago

Nowhere to be seen if your head is in the sand. There are robotaxi pilot programs running in two cities, FSD 14 is actively rolling out to customers, and my car drove me to work this morning on v13. I don't see any lies

CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
So you're saying the submission article is just straight up lies, or why the difference in experience?
sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
Have they taken the "safety operator" out of the "robotaxis" yet? Here's a handy compilation of Musk's self driving broken promises https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono...
UltraSane 1y ago
And no Tesla has EVER driven without a driver with Tesla assuming liability for crashes. And I don't think they ever will. Waymo assumes liability for crashes. Tesla doesn't. That should tell you all you need to know.
- ggreer 1y ago
  I'm pretty sure Tesla assumed liability when they had a car deliver itself to a customer in Austin this year.[1] Also Tesla is an insurance provider in many states, and where it's legal to do so (Arizona & Texas currently), they offer discounts for using FSD more.[2] So they seem to be putting their money where their mouth is. Are you predicting that Tesla will never get rid of their safety drivers in their Robotaxis? Because as soon as that happens, won't your prediction be incorrect? That seems unlikely to me. Tesla is definitely behind Waymo when it comes to self-driving capabilities, but it seems like they'll eventually succeed. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU16hXSSGKs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU16hXSSGKs 2. https://www.tesla.com/support/insurance/fsd-discount https://www.tesla.com/support/insurance/fsd-discount
  - UltraSane 1y ago
    Did they though? That was clearly a one off stunt to pump the stock. "Are you predicting that Tesla will never get rid of their safety drivers in their Robotaxis?" That is exactly what I'm saying. Because vision only non-redundant technology stack is never going to be reliable enough. "Because as soon as that happens, won't your prediction be incorrect? " yes, that is how predictions work.