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I don't think lsp servers should be bundled, they're often huge, and e.g. for haskell you need the one that matches your ghc version, so you'd need ..all of the

I don't think lsp servers should be bundled, they're often huge, and e.g. for haskell you need the one that matches your ghc version, so you'd need ..all of them? and they need to be kept up-to-date etc. There is an emacs LSP server package manager at https://github.com/deirn/mason.el https://github.com/deirn/mason.el though – maybe something like that could be included, and Emacs could suggest how to install an appropriate LSP server (and enable eglot). I know many of the old hackers bristle at this, but I think it should be possible to do some kind of helpful but non-intrusive hinting for new users (one can always `setq clippy nil`) They could at least change the default theme to one of the already-bundled modus-themes or something.

billfruit 1y ago
Once we get a modern IDE like PyCharm or Intellij Idea, the auto complete is essentially built in, without needing to deal with installing LSP servers, clients, and their dependencies. Out of the box, project and context aware auto complete is an essential feature in a modern IDE.
- worthless-trash 1y ago
  Except pycharm won't work with my erlang lsp.
- internet_points 1y ago
  Last I checked, an IDE like Android Studio (based on IDEA) needs to download a hogshead of java before it can even begin to build anything. And if you switch compiler versions, it needs to download even more. Sure it makes installing java as easy as clicking a few buttons, and it'd be great if Emacs made it as easy, but still: it doesn't bundle every version. No one would have the drive space for that. And now consider that emacs has support for not just java/kotlin, but pretty much every programming language in existence..
- binary132 1y ago
  Emacs is not a “modern IDE” and expecting it to be one is a recipe for not only confusion and irritation but also for watering down the goodness that it really is.

billfruit 1y ago

Once we get a modern IDE like PyCharm or Intellij Idea, the auto complete is essentially built in, without needing to deal with installing LSP servers, clients, and their dependencies. Out of the box, project and context aware auto complete is an essential feature in a modern IDE.

worthless-trash 1y ago
Except pycharm won't work with my erlang lsp.
internet_points 1y ago
Last I checked, an IDE like Android Studio (based on IDEA) needs to download a hogshead of java before it can even begin to build anything. And if you switch compiler versions, it needs to download even more. Sure it makes installing java as easy as clicking a few buttons, and it'd be great if Emacs made it as easy, but still: it doesn't bundle every version. No one would have the drive space for that. And now consider that emacs has support for not just java/kotlin, but pretty much every programming language in existence..
binary132 1y ago
Emacs is not a “modern IDE” and expecting it to be one is a recipe for not only confusion and irritation but also for watering down the goodness that it really is.