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meh, I don't think this has really got anything to do with "cheap shortcut" methods. this is about broken morals. But, with that said, my impression is that wh

meh, I don't think this has really got anything to do with "cheap shortcut" methods. this is about broken morals. But, with that said, my impression is that while there are a lot of downsides to using HTML5 for your app, there's a LOT of amazing things you can do with the UI that are much harder in Objective C, and it's a hell of a lot more affordable to contract HTML devs than it is Obj C devs. ;) And when you're bootstrapping an app that is a big deal.

jonny_eh 14y ago
Titanium isn't an HTML5 based app framework like Phonegap. It's a Javascript framework for building apps that use the native UI widgets.
- pfisch 14y ago
  My experience with titanium was really poor. Lots of silent fails with no real error output. Also I found it very limited, more limited than just opening a webview and using html5 really and hooking into it with code for the native functionality.
  - gte910h 14y ago
    And horrible doc. Don't forget that!
    - prpatel 14y ago
      The docs are pretty good, and the wiki is a wealth of information. where exactly are you looking?
  - prpatel 14y ago
    You must be joking. I've built several projects, for pay, using Titanium and find it to be very powerful and fast for building even complex mobile apps. The customers have been thrilled that I'm able to deliver tons of features in shorter time frames and hence lower cost. As for error output - you just need to look at the logs in detail (and turn them up to trace) to get details for hard crashed.
    - pfisch 14y ago
      I built one project with it for pay. It is much more limited than a real native solution like obj-c, monotouch, etc. What exactly would you do if the client came back to you and requested something titanium couldn't do? When I was using it it had problems even moving to a page with a webview already loaded up to a webpage. Have you built a project with a real native language for pay?
pfisch 14y ago
"there's a LOT of amazing things you can do with the UI that are much harder in Objective C" I don't really agree with this. Can you provide an example? Because there are a million things you can do in objective c with the ui that are basically impossible to do with html5, and many many ui elements you can configure 100x faster in obj-c(they also run 100x faster). Hell even having a reasonable 2 column lay out is surprisingly difficult in html/css. With obj c/native if you are unhappy with some functionality of the ui you can very easily break into open gl and do pretty much anything you can imagine if you have the talent. As far as I can tell the only real advantages of using html5 is that you can hit many platforms poorly with one code base, and that maybe you don't really know how to program or understand object oriented programming. I would not say speed of making a ui is a plus for html unless you are trying to hit a bunch of platforms poorly or do not know the native languages well.
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jonny_eh 14y ago

Titanium isn't an HTML5 based app framework like Phonegap. It's a Javascript framework for building apps that use the native UI widgets.

pfisch 14y ago
My experience with titanium was really poor. Lots of silent fails with no real error output. Also I found it very limited, more limited than just opening a webview and using html5 really and hooking into it with code for the native functionality.
- gte910h 14y ago
  And horrible doc. Don't forget that!
  - prpatel 14y ago
    The docs are pretty good, and the wiki is a wealth of information. where exactly are you looking?
- prpatel 14y ago
  You must be joking. I've built several projects, for pay, using Titanium and find it to be very powerful and fast for building even complex mobile apps. The customers have been thrilled that I'm able to deliver tons of features in shorter time frames and hence lower cost. As for error output - you just need to look at the logs in detail (and turn them up to trace) to get details for hard crashed.
  - pfisch 14y ago
    I built one project with it for pay. It is much more limited than a real native solution like obj-c, monotouch, etc. What exactly would you do if the client came back to you and requested something titanium couldn't do? When I was using it it had problems even moving to a page with a webview already loaded up to a webpage. Have you built a project with a real native language for pay?

pfisch 14y ago

"there's a LOT of amazing things you can do with the UI that are much harder in Objective C" I don't really agree with this. Can you provide an example? Because there are a million things you can do in objective c with the ui that are basically impossible to do with html5, and many many ui elements you can configure 100x faster in obj-c(they also run 100x faster). Hell even having a reasonable 2 column lay out is surprisingly difficult in html/css. With obj c/native if you are unhappy with some functionality of the ui you can very easily break into open gl and do pretty much anything you can imagine if you have the talent. As far as I can tell the only real advantages of using html5 is that you can hit many platforms poorly with one code base, and that maybe you don't really know how to program or understand object oriented programming. I would not say speed of making a ui is a plus for html unless you are trying to hit a bunch of platforms poorly or do not know the native languages well.

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