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Undoing of the effects of excessive and unnecessary social guidance takes ages. At some point through the times of civilizations, humans started having less wo

by zkmon 1y ago

Undoing of the effects of excessive and unnecessary social guidance takes ages. At some point through the times of civilizations, humans started having less work to do and more idle people around. The idle people started spending their time for preaching a life style other than what was evolved naturally through centuries and millennia. They redefined the meaning of health, food, comfort and happiness. The silliest thing they did was creating norms, redefining good and bad based on their perception of comfort and happiness and enforcing those norms on populations. Human race continued to live under the clutches of perceptions from these free-thinking idle people whose mind worked detached from their bodies and thus lacked the knowledge gained from the millennia of human evolution.

balamatom 1y ago
You really think a sense of embodiment can be lost voluntarily?
- zkmon 1y ago
  Yes, when the mind is over-confident of it's education and perceptions, it starts to disobey the signals from body and force the body to follow what mind says. That's when the mind loses the support of knowledge encoded in the body, the knowledge which wass collected through evolution. The mind tries to compensate the loss with experimentation that can't undergo the same extent of evolution. Then it dictates body to follow the results of these puny and tiny experiments, and ignores the rich knowledge already encoded in the body.
  - balamatom 1y ago
    >when the mind is over-confident of it's education and perceptions, it starts to disobey the signals from body and force the body to follow what mind says. Isn't that one of the fundamental things being taught to nascent minds as a prerequisite to participating in society -- starting the earliest stages of development, at which point neither one's mind nor one's body really has much of a say in the matter?
jjcob 1y ago
I think people seek out these restrictions on their own. Almost everyone I know has some sort of belief about what's healthy and what isn't. Some people become vegetarians, some people become vegans, some people believe eating big steaks of red meat is healthy, some people avoid pork, others do not eat cooked food on some days of the week, others eat only fish on special holidays, some people tell you that yoghurt is good for your gut, others tell you to avoid dairy at all cost, some tell you to avoid carbohydrates, .... Some of these are backed by science, some are batshit crazy, some are based on individual preferences. I don't think this is a new phenomenon. People just love coming up with rules, and even if our society allows you to eat pretty much whatever you want, people still seek out restrictions for themselves (and their kids...)
- zkmon 1y ago
  You have left out the elephant in the room - the government controlling the food choice, healthcare, medicines, and overall a lifestyle. You don't have as much freedom as you would like to think.
  - jjcob 1y ago
    What are you talking about? Food safety regulations like requiring milk to be pasteurized? I think that's just common sense, but at least in my home of Austria you can still easily get un-pasteurized milk if you really want. I'm not sure how the "government" controls my food choices? (In some cases I would actually prefer more regulation, because some producers make some questionable choices. I would prefer to buy cured meat without nitrates, but it's quite hard to find)
    - zkmon 1y ago
      Have you ever heard of obesity and variety of diseases that are mostly specific to some countries and their life style? If not you should travel to some third world countries. This is only to show you that your government is the biggest stake holder and controller of your life style, not you.
array_key_first 1y ago
The natural lifestyle for centuries and millenia was just dying. We went from about 50% infant mortality to maybe 1 in 1000.
roguecoder 1y ago
A hundred and twenty years ago, one in four women who gave birth died. Forty years ago, children were more than twice as likely as they are today to die during childhood. Nature is overrated.

by zkmon 1y ago

balamatom 1y ago

You really think a sense of embodiment can be lost voluntarily?

zkmon 1y ago
Yes, when the mind is over-confident of it's education and perceptions, it starts to disobey the signals from body and force the body to follow what mind says. That's when the mind loses the support of knowledge encoded in the body, the knowledge which wass collected through evolution. The mind tries to compensate the loss with experimentation that can't undergo the same extent of evolution. Then it dictates body to follow the results of these puny and tiny experiments, and ignores the rich knowledge already encoded in the body.
- balamatom 1y ago
  >when the mind is over-confident of it's education and perceptions, it starts to disobey the signals from body and force the body to follow what mind says. Isn't that one of the fundamental things being taught to nascent minds as a prerequisite to participating in society -- starting the earliest stages of development, at which point neither one's mind nor one's body really has much of a say in the matter?

jjcob 1y ago

I think people seek out these restrictions on their own. Almost everyone I know has some sort of belief about what's healthy and what isn't. Some people become vegetarians, some people become vegans, some people believe eating big steaks of red meat is healthy, some people avoid pork, others do not eat cooked food on some days of the week, others eat only fish on special holidays, some people tell you that yoghurt is good for your gut, others tell you to avoid dairy at all cost, some tell you to avoid carbohydrates, .... Some of these are backed by science, some are batshit crazy, some are based on individual preferences. I don't think this is a new phenomenon. People just love coming up with rules, and even if our society allows you to eat pretty much whatever you want, people still seek out restrictions for themselves (and their kids...)

zkmon 1y ago
You have left out the elephant in the room - the government controlling the food choice, healthcare, medicines, and overall a lifestyle. You don't have as much freedom as you would like to think.
- jjcob 1y ago
  What are you talking about? Food safety regulations like requiring milk to be pasteurized? I think that's just common sense, but at least in my home of Austria you can still easily get un-pasteurized milk if you really want. I'm not sure how the "government" controls my food choices? (In some cases I would actually prefer more regulation, because some producers make some questionable choices. I would prefer to buy cured meat without nitrates, but it's quite hard to find)
  - zkmon 1y ago
    Have you ever heard of obesity and variety of diseases that are mostly specific to some countries and their life style? If not you should travel to some third world countries. This is only to show you that your government is the biggest stake holder and controller of your life style, not you.

array_key_first 1y ago

The natural lifestyle for centuries and millenia was just dying. We went from about 50% infant mortality to maybe 1 in 1000.

roguecoder 1y ago

A hundred and twenty years ago, one in four women who gave birth died. Forty years ago, children were more than twice as likely as they are today to die during childhood. Nature is overrated.