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That is a strawman argument, or perhaps you misunderstand the comparison. Nowhere did I say it was a poor insurrection attempt. I said it was not an insurrectio

That is a strawman argument, or perhaps you misunderstand the comparison. Nowhere did I say it was a poor insurrection attempt. I said it was not an insurrection at all. They were set up and led into the capitol for the cameras, in a ploy to frame it as an insurrection. And ultimately, that's what happened. To this claim that "5 people died" - how many were shot by the "violent insurrectionists"? The answer: none. 1 policeman had a stroke and 4 committed suicide. You cannot blame the J6ers for the policemen's pre-existing conditions or suicidal tendencies. None of the suicides were coerced. The only person who was killed was the aforementioned pro trump woman.

actionfromafar 1y ago
You can't blame them for anything, it seems. Just a stroll, seeing the sights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXnHIJkZZAs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXnHIJkZZAs You do know they were convicted in court?
- pdt409231 1y ago
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  - throwawayq3423 1y ago
    In crowd control, if your line is broken, you fall back. That's why rioters were allowed to walk through the Capitol. The police had no ability to stop them once their forward line was broken. "The police were giving them a tour." I'm sorry, what did you expect them to do? Go home? Not try to keep an eye on what was happening? > You do know they were subsequently pardoned? Accepting a pardon is a formal admission of guilt. You literally cannot pardon an innocent person. That's the whole point. And again, justifying or excusing political violence guarantees that more will come, which is why I'm particularly angered by what you're doing.
    - actionfromafar 1y ago
      He is probably eager for it.
    - pdt409231 1y ago
      >Accepting a pardon is a formal admission of guilt. You literally cannot pardon an innocent person. That's the whole point. Wrong. Pleading guilty is an admission of guilt. Being convicted is not the same as admitting guilt. That is why there are things called appeals. Pardons can be a tool to overcome miscarriage of justice. And that's exactly what happened there. A partisan conviction by the regime they were protesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon >And again, justifying or excusing political violence guarantees that more will come, which is why I'm particularly angered by what you're doing. Strawman after strawman with you. Nowhere at all am I justifying political violence, because what happened was a mostly peaceful protest. I'm particularly angered by YOUR rhetoric, and it is amusing there isn't a shred of self awareness with that statement. If you haven't noticed, YOUR narrative has led to multiple high profile assassination attempts by leftists convinced Trump is a fascist or something. It hasn't merely guaranteed political violence, it has already happened. Multiple times.
      - actionfromafar 1y ago
        Yet, when a Republican is murdered, there's a new saint in the MAGA sky and when a Democrat is murdered... crickets.
      - throwawayq3423 1y ago
        > Wrong. Pleading guilty is an admission of guilt. Being convicted is not the same as admitting guilt. You either pardon a person declared guilty by a judge and jury or a person who pled guilty themselves. > Pardons can be a tool to overcome miscarriage of justice. And that's exactly what happened there. I don't like this game and I'm not going to play it. Political violence spirals, and anyone who seeks to excuse it because it's their side, and their side can't be the violent ones, is childish at best and malevolent at worst. > Nowhere at all am I justifying political violence no you're just saying there was a bunch of grandmas and they were let in by the police and yes people die but it wasn't their fault and the guy organized the whole thing couldn't have possibly foreseen it becoming violent and then when it did he was in the white house so it's not like he could have pulled out his phone at any time and tweeted for them to go home to stop the whole thing. I get that you need this to make sense in your head, but just understand not a single person is convinced by your babbling.
  - actionfromafar 1y ago
    Ah by the legal scholar and Supreme Criminal Cult Leader Trump the First, His Majesty. That settles any shadow of guilt. No.

actionfromafar 1y ago

You can't blame them for anything, it seems. Just a stroll, seeing the sights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXnHIJkZZAs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXnHIJkZZAs You do know they were convicted in court?

pdt409231 1y ago
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- throwawayq3423 1y ago
  In crowd control, if your line is broken, you fall back. That's why rioters were allowed to walk through the Capitol. The police had no ability to stop them once their forward line was broken. "The police were giving them a tour." I'm sorry, what did you expect them to do? Go home? Not try to keep an eye on what was happening? > You do know they were subsequently pardoned? Accepting a pardon is a formal admission of guilt. You literally cannot pardon an innocent person. That's the whole point. And again, justifying or excusing political violence guarantees that more will come, which is why I'm particularly angered by what you're doing.
  - actionfromafar 1y ago
    He is probably eager for it.
  - pdt409231 1y ago
    >Accepting a pardon is a formal admission of guilt. You literally cannot pardon an innocent person. That's the whole point. Wrong. Pleading guilty is an admission of guilt. Being convicted is not the same as admitting guilt. That is why there are things called appeals. Pardons can be a tool to overcome miscarriage of justice. And that's exactly what happened there. A partisan conviction by the regime they were protesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon >And again, justifying or excusing political violence guarantees that more will come, which is why I'm particularly angered by what you're doing. Strawman after strawman with you. Nowhere at all am I justifying political violence, because what happened was a mostly peaceful protest. I'm particularly angered by YOUR rhetoric, and it is amusing there isn't a shred of self awareness with that statement. If you haven't noticed, YOUR narrative has led to multiple high profile assassination attempts by leftists convinced Trump is a fascist or something. It hasn't merely guaranteed political violence, it has already happened. Multiple times.
    - actionfromafar 1y ago
      Yet, when a Republican is murdered, there's a new saint in the MAGA sky and when a Democrat is murdered... crickets.
    - throwawayq3423 1y ago
      > Wrong. Pleading guilty is an admission of guilt. Being convicted is not the same as admitting guilt. You either pardon a person declared guilty by a judge and jury or a person who pled guilty themselves. > Pardons can be a tool to overcome miscarriage of justice. And that's exactly what happened there. I don't like this game and I'm not going to play it. Political violence spirals, and anyone who seeks to excuse it because it's their side, and their side can't be the violent ones, is childish at best and malevolent at worst. > Nowhere at all am I justifying political violence no you're just saying there was a bunch of grandmas and they were let in by the police and yes people die but it wasn't their fault and the guy organized the whole thing couldn't have possibly foreseen it becoming violent and then when it did he was in the white house so it's not like he could have pulled out his phone at any time and tweeted for them to go home to stop the whole thing. I get that you need this to make sense in your head, but just understand not a single person is convinced by your babbling.
- actionfromafar 1y ago
  Ah by the legal scholar and Supreme Criminal Cult Leader Trump the First, His Majesty. That settles any shadow of guilt. No.